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Re:NYT journalist hacked with Pegasus after reporting on pre... by dredmorbius on Sunday October 24, 2021 @05:44PM (#28982218)
So, now you have two problems.

If you're making VOIP calls over a device that is itself connected to mobile networks ... you've still got the connectivity of the device itself to track. Presumably that's a long-lived relationship. At this point the information is limited to location data, but that, at the postal-code level is again sufficient to identify 90% of individuals within the US, based largely on residential and workplace locations.

The notion of having short-lived individually-attributable 5G connection history, perhaps through a dongle- or tether-swapping system, in which many individuals utilise devices for a short period of time, might work. With a sufficient budget, disposable devices might also be an option. (As the cost of SBCs / SOCs falls through $0.10/device, the disposable option might be tractable, leaving SIM card provisioning as the bottleneck.)

The tether is connected over WiFi (the MAC address space is already repetitive, and MAC addresses can be arbitrarily changed at the OS kernel level), giving a two-stage connection to the actual mobile network itself. Frequently-relocating (via a swap) or short-lived / previously unknon tethers, as identified through IMEI is required for mobile connections to work, would still be possible, but at a much greater workload. (I'm very sketch on how 5G identifies specific devices, take what I'm saying here with a few kilos of salt.)

I'd still have concerns with a VOIP device that itself has access to information and computing capabilities, but at least the degree of tracking that's possible over a PSTN direct-dialed mobile handset on a 4G/5G network would be sharply reduced. Other threat vectors remain.

Burner phones on a one-use / short-use cycle would probably be preferable.

Re:NYT journalist hacked with Pegasus after reporting on pre... by wolverine876 on Sunday October 24, 2021 @06:02PM (#28982351)
Thanks ... To emphasize a point that you seem to imply, the goal of security is to raise the costs of the attacker; anything can be defeated, of course.

If by "two problems" you mean that VOIP adds an additional problem, I don't quite grok it. It isn't a panacea, as you point out, but seems like a clear improvement.

Another advantage of VOIP is that you can easily obtain throwaway phone numbers.

> If you're making VOIP calls over a device that is itself connected to mobile networks ... you've still got the connectivity of the device itself to track. Presumably that's a long-lived relationship. At this point the information is limited to location data, but that, at the postal-code level is again sufficient to identify 90% of individuals within the US, based largely on residential and workplace locations.

Good point. They still don't know who I talk to and when, but they certainly can figure out who I am. I wonder how expensive the latter is, which I'd guess it depends on whether that analysis and the sharing of it is done automatically or takes a special request.

> The tether is connected over WiFi

I'm not sure that helps privacy: Wifi networks are likely shorter range than 5G cells, and the networks are well mapped. I suppose it does require involvement of someone with the map, but that might be easy to obtain.

> the MAC address space is already repetitive, and MAC addresses can be arbitrarily changed at the OS kernel level

I think iOS and Android randomize MAC addresses these days ?

> Burner phones on a one-use / short-use cycle would probably be preferable.

Yes, but a single burner phone, between the hardware and a one month plan, can cost $75-100. Using lots of them is out of reach for many people.

Re:NYT journalist hacked with Pegasus after reporting on pre... by dredmorbius on Sunday October 24, 2021 @06:47PM (#28982646)
The "two problems" is an additional attack surface --- the cellular network tether, which by design and function leaks subscriber-linked information without any compromise necessary, and the VOIP device itself, which continues to be susceptible to its own attacks leaking information, including contacts, call data, messaging data and metadata, email, browser history, and its own location history through both WiFi connections and in all probability, GPS-based location.

On connecting to the tether over WiFi, the advantages over cellular data or Bluetooth is that a WiFi identity (MAC address, SSID) can be arbitrarily changed, and in fact are in consumer-grade hardware (yes, iOS uses a distinct MAC per connected network AFAIU, not positive of Android). This could be modified on every network connection, or even within a single session (requiring periodic reconnects). Other means of specific host identification via TCP/IP and 802.11 protocols are fairly limited.

On increasing workload, much surveillance is done via mass-produced hardware and software, and targets frequently-encountered devices (e.g., stock mobile phones, iOS, and Android systems). Adopting measures and methods other than these ... leaves a signature, but also means that specific new surveillance methods need to be devised for a specific target.

Also: in case anyone mistakes me for an expert on this area, I'm not. I've general familiarity with methods, techniques, protocols, devices, and operating systems.