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Re:NYT journalist hacked with Pegasus after reporting on pre... by catlikesshrimp on Sunday October 24, 2021 @04:55PM (#28981818)
Why aren't political exposed persons leaving iphones? It has been known for a while that it is not secure for them.

An android tablet connecting to wifi hotspots only, or even lan only, with minimal software, and a dumb phone are more secure than iphone.

Re:NYT journalist hacked with Pegasus after reporting on pre... by seniorivn on Sunday October 24, 2021 @05:01PM (#28981875)
no they are not, targeted attack of someone who is capable of using Pegasus is going to be successful regardless a consumer device u choose to use.
Re:NYT journalist hacked with Pegasus after reporting on pre... by catlikesshrimp on Sunday October 24, 2021 @05:45PM (#28982221)
"No they are not?" I deserved more than that.

Iphones are a standardized attack surface. Apple prefers vulnerabilities not to be found than to be discovered and patched, leading to NSO holding on their discovered vulnerabilities for longer.

An android device with no modem (baseband) is definitely more secure. Throw in a hardware switch for camera, mics, and wifi, which iphones will never have.

Re:NYT journalist hacked with Pegasus after reporting on pre... by judge2020 on Sunday October 24, 2021 @07:57PM (#28983089)
Android is an even larger attack surface when political people don't take any of the precautions you mention, which they most likely won't. The President of the United States does indeed have a specialized phone that is modified by WH staff to either be only for phone calls or only for twitter/news (which means 2 phones)[0], but they're still iPhones. As long as there's not some 0-authorization 0-click vulnerability in the things used (as in, reportedly, neither iphone did texts), it'll be secure enough, but that's still limiting its usage and isn't want any politician is going to do. Just stick to a desk phone for secure comms.

0: https://www.politico.com/story/2018/05/21/trump-phone-securi...

Re:NYT journalist hacked with Pegasus after reporting on pre... by dx034 on Monday October 25, 2021 @02:03AM (#28984876)
Could anyone deactivate texts on an iphone or did they get a special iOS version from Apple?
Re:NYT journalist hacked with Pegasus after reporting on pre... by vanchor3 on Monday October 25, 2021 @07:08AM (#28986428)
Texts or iMessage?

Texts shouldn't be difficult, just disable on the carrier end. MDM might be able to restrict it further just in case. With iMessage you can just not sign in to an Apple ID. Or use MDM.

Re:NYT journalist hacked with Pegasus after reporting on pre... by estaseuropano on Sunday October 24, 2021 @05:34PM (#28982152)
they need an actual functional phone. You can't be a journalist and not have a fully functional phone that access the internet whenever needed. I'm sure they use burners for sensitive stuff, but what are they supposed to use for their regular work, calls with the school, car navigation, ...
Re:NYT journalist hacked with Pegasus after reporting on pre... by catlikesshrimp on Sunday October 24, 2021 @05:56PM (#28982301)
There are portable hotspots, you know....

I am assuming you use a killswitch VPN to your trusted network. NYT for this journalist.

My proposed setup is 3 devices: hotspot, android device without baseband, dumbphone. Hotspot would be the weak link here, security wise, but is easier and cheaper to replace. Nothing on dumbphone would be encrypted.

If I were a journalist, I would consider this alternative to being hacked. Remember he even knew there were at least attempts to hack his devices, years in advance.

They are just biting the "apple is the most secure alternative" propaganda.

Re:NYT journalist hacked with Pegasus after reporting on pre... by KatrKat on Sunday October 24, 2021 @08:50PM (#28983410)
iMessage can run over data, right? It sounds like the bugs exploited here were iMessage and WhatsApp holes, not weird mystery-baseband flaws (which are harder to patch but only ever affect a fraction of the phones you want to sell the ability to compromise). So similar Android exploits would just go right through the hotspot and compromise the Android device that does everything.

The only way out of this mess is actually correct code on actually correct hardware. Maybe you have to run Linux and Android at the top to run existing apps, but somewhere below there you need a supervisor that makes security guarantees that are actually true. You can't just port a monolithic C kernel onto hardware that's struggling to be faster than the competition and call it good.

Journalists need to buy communications equipment that doesn't come with that "NO WARRANTY OF MERCHANTABILITY OR FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE" line in the EULA. Sadly, it is not for sale.

Re:NYT journalist hacked with Pegasus after reporting on pre... by asdff on Monday October 25, 2021 @12:04AM (#28984411)
Just use a dumb phone and a garmin like journalists did in the early 2000s?
Re:NYT journalist hacked with Pegasus after reporting on pre... by emptyparadise on Monday October 25, 2021 @02:43AM (#28985047)
How do you communicate with your sources?
Re:NYT journalist hacked with Pegasus after reporting on pre... by asdff on Monday October 25, 2021 @01:07PM (#28990312)
Texts from a burner? Disposable email address? Dead drop notes? Lurking in the shadows of a parking structure? Plenty of options that don't require a smartphone. Not like journalism was impossible before the iPhone.
Re:NYT journalist hacked with Pegasus after reporting on pre... by amerine on Sunday October 24, 2021 @05:04PM (#28981901)
What!? You’re statement is really wrong. Android tablets on hotspots only??? What?
Re:NYT journalist hacked with Pegasus after reporting on pre... by saagarjha on Monday October 25, 2021 @01:00AM (#28984612)
When disagreeing with someone, it's usually courteous to explain why you think they are wrong.