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Re:Long Beach has temporarily suspended container stacking l... by Asooka on Saturday October 23, 2021 @03:34PM (#28971503)
Some form of zoning must exist because you don't want people living next to an incinerator power plant for instance, but like any good thing, it can be taken to an extreme and micromanaged into evil.
Re:Long Beach has temporarily suspended container stacking l... by burlesona on Saturday October 23, 2021 @03:42PM (#28971587)
That’s not really true. It’s perfectly possible to directly regulate, prohibit and/or tax nuisances and externalities directly without zoning.
Re:Long Beach has temporarily suspended container stacking l... by cracell on Saturday October 23, 2021 @03:53PM (#28971662)
Ok.

So basically zoning but pretending it's not called zoning.

Re:Long Beach has temporarily suspended container stacking l... by burlesona on Saturday October 23, 2021 @04:08PM (#28971772)
Zoning means central planners literally draw a map saying what goes where, and generally make all kinds of aesthetic decisions to go along with it. There is a big gap between that level of micromanaging land use and regulating against nuisances.
Re:Long Beach has temporarily suspended container stacking l... by Symbiote on Saturday October 23, 2021 @04:15PM (#28971828)
No, since this alternative allows for an apartment building with a couple of shops on the ground floor (normal in most of the world), and any other reasonable mixed development.

No one is suggesting heavy industry should be allowed in a residential area.

Re:Long Beach has temporarily suspended container stacking l... by seoaeu on Saturday October 23, 2021 @07:35PM (#28973459)
A set of local laws that says "heavy industry isn't allowed in residential areas" is a zoning code
Re:Long Beach has temporarily suspended container stacking l... by Symbiote on Monday October 25, 2021 @11:39AM (#28989058)
It's a planning / permitting code, but the distinction from a zoning code has already been discussed in this thread.
Re:Long Beach has temporarily suspended container stacking l... by seoaeu on Monday October 25, 2021 @06:58PM (#28994243)
And to quote one of the other commenters in that other part of the thread: "That’s zoning with a different name."
Re:Long Beach has temporarily suspended container stacking l... by bbarnett on Saturday October 23, 2021 @03:47PM (#28971619)
If you tax unequally, depending upon location, then that's just zoning with another name, except the rich can ignore it.
Re:Long Beach has temporarily suspended container stacking l... by downut on Saturday October 23, 2021 @03:46PM (#28971616)
But the key is who regulates, prohibits, etc.

If that power is local, NIMBY always wins. These decisions must be made at the state level. Cities are way too fractured into myriad municipalities competing for jobs and "quality" housing.

Re:Long Beach has temporarily suspended container stacking l... by 8note on Saturday October 23, 2021 @05:14PM (#28972337)
The power is with rich locals.

I'd assume state power is with the same rich folks, so it's still NIMBY, but the state can force it on poor locals. Woooo

Re:Long Beach has temporarily suspended container stacking l... by mlindner on Saturday October 23, 2021 @03:53PM (#28971664)
Why? If people choose to live next to the incinerator that's their choice. You can also have "industrial only" zones for stuff that's pollution emitting, but most things don't need that zoning. Example Japan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfm2xCKOCNk