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Re:10 Things Millionaires Won't Tell You by mattmaroon on Thursday August 28, 2008 @10:02PM (#289706)
That's not even remotely true. The interest rate for a mortgage right now is a few % points below what the stock market has returned, on average, over the last 50 years. That's not even counting the tax deduction for the interest.

A mortgage is basically borrowing money with which to make more money. Your mortgage payment on a place is generally not much more than your rent payment would be, and it's tax deductible and, over time, builds equity.

You can't save with the same commitment while paying rent because you have to pay rent.

Re:10 Things Millionaires Won't Tell You by nostrademons on Thursday August 28, 2008 @10:32PM (#289729)
> Your mortgage payment on a place is generally not much more than your rent payment would be

This is not true in most of the formerly booming real estate markets in the U.S. My coworker just bought a condo for $500K in Boston. At 6%, his interest payments are $30K/year, or $2500/month. My friends are renting a similar place for $2200/month.

I've heard it's worse in California, eg. people paying $3500/month in mortgage payments for houses that rent for $2000 or so. The recent Businessweek article on Merced mentioned homes with $3400/month that the owners walked away from, then out-of-state speculators bought it at a foreclosure auction and are now renting it back to the original owners for $1200/month.

> The interest rate for a mortgage right now is a few % points below what the stock market has returned, on average, over the last 50 years.

First rule of finance: any truly risk-free profit opportunities will be arbitraged away as soon as large numbers of people become aware of them.

That's exactly what happened in the 1990s. People suddenly realized that the stock market, on average, returned higher rates than a 30-year mortgage, so they took out mortgages and invested it in the stock market. As a result, the stock market quadrupled between 1995 and 2000. Then they pulled it out of the stock market and back into real estate between between 2001 and 2005.

It's highly unlikely that stock market returns over the next 50 years will match those of the previous 50 years, even with the cratering of the real-estate market.

Re:10 Things Millionaires Won't Tell You by xiaoma on Friday August 29, 2008 @03:35AM (#289895)
True. However stock market returns have averaged about 10-12% a year going all the back to 1830. Furthermore, they've beaten real estate, bonds, gold and every other asset class over any given 15-year period. Even people who bought the day before the great crash in 1929, came out ahead of those who put the same money into real estate... as long as they didn't panic and sell at the bottom as most people did.

Of course we can't expect every decade to be like the 90's, but I think it is a reasonable expectation that the 200-year trend will continue barring a kurzweillian singularity or other freakish phenomena.

Re:10 Things Millionaires Won't Tell You by petercooper on Friday August 29, 2008 @12:36PM (#290175)
> It's highly unlikely that stock market returns over the next 50 years will match those of the previous 50 years, even with the cratering of the real-estate market.

Why? Stock market rises tend to be linked to technological advances. We are pretty close to some significant technological breakthroughs and these will only accelerate over the next 50 years.

Consider, for example, that within 15 years, it should be cheap and practical to use solar panels for almost everything. Consider robotics and the way robots will radicalize many industries as much as industrial robots have revolutionized factories, etc.

Re:10 Things Millionaires Won't Tell You by netcan on Thursday August 28, 2008 @11:01PM (#289750)
Down Here (Melbourne) it's a lot more extreme then that. $2200 p/m for a $500k place is >5% return.

Here it's about 3.5%-4% for a normal family house and 4%-5% for a flat.

*Interest rates are about 8%

Re:10 Things Millionaires Won't Tell You by mattmaroon on Thursday August 28, 2008 @10:56PM (#289744)
Most economists still believe it will be above 7%. Thus a fixed rate mortgage now would still be worth it.

Of course the cost of renting vs buying is different depending where you go.