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Re:How Americans Became So Sensitive to Harm (2016) by jl6 on Saturday October 23, 2021 @06:02AM (#28967071)
Does hedonic adaptation mean that once we’ve solved all the harms, we will rebaseline our harm-threshold and start suffering just as much from the micro-harms, and then once we’ve solved all those, we will be equally harmed by the nano-harms? Is the endgame a hyper-coddled, neutralized, padded cell existence?

Equivalently, does it mean that if we expose ourselves to macro-harms, we will be immunized against harms lower down the scale? Is the endgame a Spartan, ultra-violent survival of the toughest?

Or is there a point in the middle where the right amount of harm is tolerated, or even encouraged? How will we know when we have reached that point?

Re:How Americans Became So Sensitive to Harm (2016) by option_greek on Saturday October 23, 2021 @07:19AM (#28967397)
Interesting points. Many eastern philosophies assert that the experiences are purely at the level of mind.

As per them, so long as the mind can segregate experiences as desirable and undesirable, it will continue to crave the desirable ones and reject undesirable ones.

If all the recent experiences are desirable, then there will be further segregation within the desirable ones till the undesirable bucket is again full (and vice versa).

This gels well with anecdotal experiences of craving for something like financial independence only to feel once some one gets it that it is either not sufficient or craving for the opposite happens.

So if we go by these theories, the center will never be reached. The pendulum shall just swing-by from one end to the other with the middle being really short lived.

Re:How Americans Became So Sensitive to Harm (2016) by hn8788 on Saturday October 23, 2021 @08:42AM (#28967863)
> Equivalently, does it mean that if we expose ourselves to macro-harms, we will be immunized against harms lower down the scale?

For the most part, yes, it's called building resilience[1]. The hard part is that people view adversity relative to their own experiences, and don't want to be told that they need to "suck it up" when their ride is a few minutes late, or the waiter got their meal wrong. A coddled person will truly believe that their minor inconveniences are very difficult events, and there isn't a way to force them to build resilience, so they might end up being coddled even more just so they'll be quite.

[1]https://www.apa.org/topics/resilience

Re:How Americans Became So Sensitive to Harm (2016) by crateless on Saturday October 23, 2021 @06:20AM (#28967122)
Interesting point. I think it's something of a "dialectical" process. In periods of peace, micro-harms become important, in periods of war etc. the micro-harms lose priority. So I don't think there is an endgame, it's probably more of a "what context are we in right now?"
Re:How Americans Became So Sensitive to Harm (2016) by jgalt212 on Saturday October 23, 2021 @08:14AM (#28967687)
It's like after St. George killed that dragon, he roamed the earth looking for other noble challenges to take on. Of course, none of them were in any way close to his original great feat.
Re:How Americans Became So Sensitive to Harm (2016) by idontwantthis on Saturday October 23, 2021 @08:03AM (#28967618)
The answer to the second question is definitely no. Violence victims are definitely not better adjusted They get PTSD and can’t handle much smaller harms.
Re:How Americans Became So Sensitive to Harm (2016) by redmaverick on Saturday October 23, 2021 @08:27AM (#28967754)
It's kind of unpredictable. David Goggins suffered terrible violence and it made him tougher to handle smaller harms.

On the other hand there are people who never recover and are never the same again.

Re:How Americans Became So Sensitive to Harm (2016) by blueflow on Saturday October 23, 2021 @08:21AM (#28967723)
I know people who fit your description, and i know people who "hardened up" and unlearned to care. It is probably another factor.
Re:How Americans Became So Sensitive to Harm (2016) by austincheney on Saturday October 23, 2021 @06:34AM (#28967179)
> How will we know when we have reached that point?

I suspect it will occur when people stop parenting each other and when people stop deliberately concerning themselves with the disagreeable opinions of others (negative attention seeking).

Re:How Americans Became So Sensitive to Harm (2016) by burade on Saturday October 23, 2021 @08:27AM (#28967759)
If you expose yourself to macro-harms... you tend to... die.