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Re:BYD has reportedly received 10 GWh of orders from Tesla f... by danans on Thursday October 21, 2021 @05:26PM (#28951010)
Adding to this info - LiFePO4 batteries are far more chemically stable and therefore need no cooling system. I have LiFePO4 home backup batteries and they are completely passively cooled.
Re:BYD has reportedly received 10 GWh of orders from Tesla f... by nathannecro on Thursday October 21, 2021 @05:46PM (#28951205)
I'm in the market for home backup batteries and was wondering if you could namedrop the mfgs of your batteries if you were satisfied with them.
Re:BYD has reportedly received 10 GWh of orders from Tesla f... by krasin on Thursday October 21, 2021 @05:53PM (#28951280)
I highly recommend Will Prowse's channel who extensively covers batteries, solar panels, invertors and other home solar stuff: https://www.youtube.com/c/WillProwse
Re:BYD has reportedly received 10 GWh of orders from Tesla f... by nathannecro on Thursday October 21, 2021 @05:58PM (#28951325)
Perfect, thanks for the recommendation. Looks like I'll have quite a few videos to watch.
Re:BYD has reportedly received 10 GWh of orders from Tesla f... by grayhatter on Thursday October 21, 2021 @06:56PM (#28951844)
Overkill Solar https://overkillsolar.com/

I've ordered twice, and plan to order another 5kw soon

After having 2 unbranded circuit breakers fail on me. Everything else will be Blue Sea, or Victron. They're the most expensive, but they feel as high quality as they are expensive which makes it worth it. Especially considering the alternative is explosions followed by fire.

Re:BYD has reportedly received 10 GWh of orders from Tesla f... by jacquesm on Thursday October 21, 2021 @07:18PM (#28952006)
Victron is bullet proof. I've seen their inverters used aboard working vessels for decade after decade without so much as a glitch. Highly recommended.
Re:BYD has reportedly received 10 GWh of orders from Tesla f... by m0zg on Thursday October 21, 2021 @09:24PM (#28952794)
Looked them up and for LiFePo4 batteries they seem to charge several times the eBay prices. What could they possibly be offering at that premium, given that it's almost certain they don't make the batteries themselves?
Re:BYD has reportedly received 10 GWh of orders from Tesla f... by jacquesm on Thursday October 21, 2021 @09:46PM (#28952915)
Victron isn't exactly a bargain basement supplier, the people that buy their stuff depend on it for their lives. Their quality control, spares supplies and longevity are second to none, that goes for chargers, inverters and battery systems. If you're not worried about having power, having your inverter fail when you need it most, have your batteries in an outdoor enclosure of their own then you can skimp on all of this, probably cheapest option would then be to use reclaimed batteries and some cheap Chinese sine wave (for some definition of sine wave, most of them are 4 bit modified square wave that are run through a large transformer to smooth out the curve) inverter. That way you get a lot of bang for your buck, and even if the inverter ever dies you can just get a new one.

But when you are putting together a system that simply needs to work and that outputs clean power then you have very few companies that are that well supported. I've used Xantrex, Sunpower, Victron, ABB and a bunch of noname stuff. I'm sure there are plenty of others. The only one that comes close in design quality is ABB, Xantrex used to be good but it has gone down tremendously in the last decade and a half, the remainder I will never use again.

Re:BYD has reportedly received 10 GWh of orders from Tesla f... by grayhatter on Thursday October 21, 2021 @09:32PM (#28952845)
They're already top balanced grade A cells versus grade B cells. They're also the cells used in industrial mining, so they're able to tolerate vibration and movement.

> Why buy something that might explode from a trustworthy business, when it's cheaper out the back of some dudes car.

Re:BYD has reportedly received 10 GWh of orders from Tesla f... by m0zg on Thursday October 21, 2021 @09:52PM (#28952945)
IIRC one of the main advantages of LiFePo4 batteries is that they can't "explode" under the normal circumstances. And if they buy batteries in China anyway, then why not buy from China as well? I'd understand 20-30% premium, but not 200-300%.
Re:BYD has reportedly received 10 GWh of orders from Tesla f... by jacquesm on Thursday October 21, 2021 @10:13PM (#28953049)
Think 'hospital', certified power, military, off-shore (vessels, platforms, emergency power and so on).

For a system that is bullet proof and where there are very strict requirements it makes sense to spend that money, for your homebrew system it likely doesn't, but you can pick up their inverters for a good discount at the various surplus auction sites with some regularity and that's the best of both worlds: great quality at a reasonable price.

Re:BYD has reportedly received 10 GWh of orders from Tesla f... by AshleyGrant on Thursday October 21, 2021 @06:05PM (#28951393)
You're opening a whole can of worms in trying to decide what LiFePO4 batteries to buy. There's tons of options, prices have been dropping precipitously this year across the board.

The first question to ask yourself is if you want the comfort of a high quality warranty or would you like the cheapest possible price per kWh?

In my RV, in May, I went with somewhat high-end Battleborn Batteries. They have a great warranty, which has come in handy as one of the batteries I bought experienced an issue and needed to be sent in for repair. They paid for shipping in both directions.

That being said, nowadays even just a few months later, I might decide to "self-insure" given how good the cheaper batteries have gotten.

Re:BYD has reportedly received 10 GWh of orders from Tesla f... by danans on Thursday October 21, 2021 @08:17PM (#28952434)
Enphase Enlighten is the system. If you are electrically handy, they have a self installer certification.
Re:BYD has reportedly received 10 GWh of orders from Tesla f... by AYBABTME on Thursday October 21, 2021 @09:30PM (#28952831)
Advice on legitimately adding this to your house in a DIY manner? Or is it the kind of stuff you 100% need to hire licensed folks for legal reasons? I built offgrid systems for boats but now I'm considering doing my house.
Re:BYD has reportedly received 10 GWh of orders from Tesla f... by danans on Thursday October 21, 2021 @10:37PM (#28953171)
Enphase has a self installer certification program that I used to DIY the design. I still hired a licensed electrician for the physical installation, though.
Re:BYD has reportedly received 10 GWh of orders from Tesla f... by LgWoodenBadger on Thursday October 21, 2021 @09:23PM (#28952791)
Weren’t LiFePO4 the batteries that need to be charged in fireproof bags because they have a tendency to spontaneously combust?

Those were the horror stories I read about back when I had some for my Walkera rc helicopter.

Re:BYD has reportedly received 10 GWh of orders from Tesla f... by fspeech on Thursday October 21, 2021 @09:33PM (#28952849)
Wang Chuan-Fu, BYD's CEO, drinks battery fluid to prove a point https://www.autoblog.com/2009/04/14/wang-chuan-fu-byds-ceo-d...
Re:BYD has reportedly received 10 GWh of orders from Tesla f... by timetopay on Thursday October 21, 2021 @09:57PM (#28952980)
uncharged battery fluid may be inert, but once you put all of that energy in there, the story changes drastically

that said, LiFePO4 is a pretty safe technology at this point

Re:BYD has reportedly received 10 GWh of orders from Tesla f... by SECProto on Thursday October 21, 2021 @09:30PM (#28952828)
I think those were LiPo batteries - i.e. lithium polymer. Same kind in a certain infamous phone that was banned from flights.

LiFePO4 are lithium iron phosphate.

Re:BYD has reportedly received 10 GWh of orders from Tesla f... by AYBABTME on Thursday October 21, 2021 @09:28PM (#28952820)
Nope, that's probably LiPo you're thinking of. LiFePO4 doesn't catch fire much.
Re:BYD has reportedly received 10 GWh of orders from Tesla f... by sudosysgen on Thursday October 21, 2021 @10:59PM (#28953272)
You're thinking of Li-Po, not LiFePO4.