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Re:Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found securit... by throwaway0a5e on Thursday October 21, 2021 @01:27PM (#28947902)
>On one side are the computer scientists and engineers who understand the nature of the problem

There are a hell of a lot of computer scientists and engineers who vote republican, certainty not a majority but definitely a large enough minority you can't discount them. They just don't broadcast it for reasons that should be obvious to anyone reading these comments.

Re:Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found securit... by danbmil99 on Thursday October 21, 2021 @01:37PM (#28948053)
At this point, voting for Republican candidates means supporting an institution that has given up on Democratic norms and is clearly aiming at an authoritarian takeover of the government of the United States.

Up until about 5 years ago I would agree that being even-handed on political matters is appropriate. But when one political party has gone completely mad with lust for power and has given up on science and rationality, how you vote is no longer just a political matter. The threat the Republican Party poses to the country and the world is existential.

And yes, there are crazies on the left, but no, they are nowhere near the threat posed by the GOP. The difference is several orders of magnitude.

Re:Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found securit... by danbmil99 on Friday October 22, 2021 @04:40AM (#28954943)
And yes, I know this thread skirts the HN guidelines. I certainly don't want this to become another Cesspool of partisan flame Wars.

There needs to be another Forum that somewhere between Hacker News and reddit, moderated but with a relatively open set of subjects that include the impact technology has on society

Re:Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found securit... by torstenvl on Thursday October 21, 2021 @02:01PM (#28948475)
If you believe Donald Trump gave up on democratic norms and was "aiming [for] an authoritarian takeover," then surely you must recognize that it was Republicans like Mike Pence, Mitch McConnell, Brad Raffensperger, Stephen Riche, and others who stopped him... right?
Re:Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found securit... by danbmil99 on Thursday October 21, 2021 @07:22PM (#28952043)
Yes, and the big guy has incessantly gone after each one you mention, hoping to drum them out of the party. I wonder what his motivation is...

Even now, the few who voted to impeach over Jan 6 are cowed and quiet. Mitt Romney just voted against the Manchin-approved compromise voting rights bill.

These cowards are all afraid of their shadows. It's an incredible, once-per-century show of absolute cowardice and submission to a strongman.

The US has a decent shot of going the way of Turkey, Hungary, and Venezuela. The elected GOP senators and congresspeople are 100% to blame. They are sad, sorry, craven and ineffectual people.

Re:Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found securit... by tehjoker on Thursday October 21, 2021 @02:17PM (#28948722)
There's been, for a long time, an intra-party struggle between right-wing populist insurgents and establishment/institutionalists since Newt Gingrich. It was a slow process, but over time it seems the former are winning, the most obvious first sign was the McCain-Palin ticket (Palin being the populist). The scene as increasingly been victorious for the insurgents. Those guys you are pointing out are hanging on by their fingernails.
Re:Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found securit... by ribosometronome on Thursday October 21, 2021 @01:34PM (#28948001)
They're embarrassed to be seen supporting candidates that are so transparently anti-science, anti-education and anti-reason?
Re:Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found securit... by zdragnar on Thursday October 21, 2021 @02:14PM (#28948675)
All three of those labels can easily be applied to both major parties, just with different examples.

Conservatives tend to not speak up because the hyperbolic vitriol has gotten out of hand.

Re:Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found securit... by joe5150 on Thursday October 21, 2021 @03:20PM (#28949612)
they could easily find a social circle and likely a workplace too where their views are accepted or even celebrated. why don't they?
Re:Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found securit... by zdragnar on Thursday October 21, 2021 @05:05PM (#28950820)
"Run a tech company that employs conservatives" is not a business plan. It isn't easy to know what kind of bubble you are getting into until it is too late.

OTOH, tech conservatives tend to be more libertarian than socially conservative, so (massive generalization here) tend to prefer to work at work and do politics elsewhere.

"Celebrating" political positions is such a foreign concept to me that I dont even know where to begin with that. Left or right, I would probably avoid it.

Re:Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found securit... by rpmisms on Thursday October 21, 2021 @01:48PM (#28948245)
Yeah, hi from the peanut gallery. I vote R because they support some things I value. I just don't talk about it at work, because I'm not suicidal.
Re:Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found securit... by ModernMech on Thursday October 21, 2021 @01:50PM (#28948292)
I don’t know how they vote or if they identify with any parties, but there is a disturbing, very patriarchal strain of neo-feudalism I have encountered in some tech circles — basically the idea that we need to return to a time of lords and serfs.

Of course I have found that when pressed, those who hold this philosophy seem to picture themselves as the lords in this fantasy utopia. Maybe these are just power fantasies, but some of them seem very serious about it (Curtis Yarvin is probably the most notable of the bunch)

Re:Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found securit... by api on Thursday October 21, 2021 @02:28PM (#28948919)
I was really into early hacker and BBS culture in the 90s, and this point of view was rare to nonexistent. There was a lot of teen and young adult angst and egotism but that’s not unusual. It wasn’t ideological and the ideas tended to be either left or libertarian.

I would have called myself a libertarian back then but that was back when words meant things, or at least more than they do now. I stopped using the term when the fascists took it over.

It’s popular in some left leaning circles and particularly among people who did not live through that era to claim that libertarianism and cyberculture was always like this. It wasn’t. There was a mass conversion event around the early 20-teens that sort of coincided with Gamergate (not sure how important GG was but that was the era). I’d say a large proportion of an entire generation of younger “hacker” types were mass converted to fascism or neoreaction. Racism also made a massive comeback.

I still don’t fully understand it. The LessWrong orbit seems to be a major factor. I never found that whole circle particularly interesting, but a lot of people sure did.

Re:Gov Parson pushes to prosecute reporter who found securit... by fnimick on Thursday October 21, 2021 @02:21PM (#28948789)
Techbro libertarians are the worst - the people who think that because some can be successful, anyone who is disadvantaged is so because of personal failings and is underserving of help. Naturally this leads to anti-democratic leanings to protect their wealth.

See Peter Thiel: "I no longer believe that freedom and democracy are compatible."

The freedom he desires is the freedom to use his privilege to oppress others.