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Re:Stop Calling Everything AI, Machine-Learning Pioneer Says by joconde on Thursday October 21, 2021 @01:19PM (#28947770)
> 1. "The question of whether a computer can think is no more interesting than the question of whether a submarine can swim." - Edsger Dijkstra

Not sure what he meant by that, it doesn't really make sense to me: thinking yields information and deductions that can be very useful, while swimming by itself accomplishes nothing useful.

Actually, I just can't make any sense of the sentence, because while I have a general idea of what a thinking machine could be, I have no clue what it means for a submarine to "swim", versus whatever the alternative is ("self-propelling"?).

Re:Stop Calling Everything AI, Machine-Learning Pioneer Says by robbrown451 on Thursday October 21, 2021 @04:33PM (#28950480)
His point was that we might say "submarines aren't actually swimming" while saying "of course airplanes actually fly."

What's the difference? The only difference is semantic, we seem to have defined "swimming" to be arbitrarily restrictive (as in, only applying to animals), while we haven't done so for flying.

Meanwhile, we can say a magnet is attracted to metal, and no one says "wait, it can't ACTUALLY be attracted to it, since that takes a brain and sentience and preferences."

And then, most of us don't bat an eye if someone says "my computer thinks the network is down" or "my phone doesn't recognize my face" or even "the heater blowing on the thermostat is making it think it is hotter than it is." It's not helpful to interject with, "well, thermostats don't really think."

The point is, these are arbitrary choices of how we define words (which may vary in different languages), and they aren't saying meaningful things about reality.

Re:Stop Calling Everything AI, Machine-Learning Pioneer Says by lkschubert8 on Thursday October 21, 2021 @02:18PM (#28948739)
The point is the goal of a submarine is to allow humans to traverse large distances underwater, the semantics of how it does so are unimportant. Similarly the ability of a computer to think is moot, its the results we get from that that matter.
Re:Stop Calling Everything AI, Machine-Learning Pioneer Says by blacksmith_tb on Thursday October 21, 2021 @01:58PM (#28948423)
Not a polymath physicist, but I take Djikstra to be saying "don't obsess so much over the differences you fail to see the similarities". The submarine doesn't swim, but it still gets somewhere in the water.
Re:Stop Calling Everything AI, Machine-Learning Pioneer Says by mirker on Thursday October 21, 2021 @02:20PM (#28948772)
[And a program/computer may not think yet still does interesting computations]