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Re:Evidence for European presence in the Americas in AD 1021 by s1artibartfast on Wednesday October 20, 2021 @08:18PM (#28938628)
Simply put, living off the land is HARD, even with an established settlement and some trade, mass starvation is a pretty likely outcome.

Reality is more complex and challenging than Farmville or AnimalCrossing.

Re:Evidence for European presence in the Americas in AD 1021 by PeterisP on Wednesday October 20, 2021 @11:50PM (#28940003)
I'm just wondering why the same process how vikings settled Greenland would not work in the (IMHO much more hospitable) North America.
Re:Evidence for European presence in the Americas in AD 1021 by jcranmer on Thursday October 21, 2021 @12:59AM (#28940463)
That's an excellent question. The answer I would give is that the process by which the Norse settled Greenland did not actually ultimately work out in the first place. Colonization isn't a simple matter of gathering enough people to form a colonizing party, staking out an empty(-ish) piece of land, and building a new settlement there. Once that settlement is built, there needs to be a steady stream of consumable goods being provided, and until the new settlement can produce or trade for those goods on its own right, the colonizers are effectively subsidizing that settlement.

The settlements in Greenland never really reached that point. The leading hypothesis at this point for why Greenland collapsed was that the Arctic trade routes dropped far-off Greenland from their destinations--and without that trade, the settlements couldn't sustain themselves and collapsed. Newfoundland may be a more hospitable place than Greenland, but from a trade situation, it's even worse: it's not offering any trade goods to Europeans that Greenland or Iceland could be providing (at much shorter journeys), but it's still probably not able to tap into the North American trade network--I think you have to make it to Nova Scotia or New Brunswick to do that.

Re:Evidence for European presence in the Americas in AD 1021 by BurningFrog on Thursday October 21, 2021 @09:37AM (#28944151)
The Greenland settlements had 2000+ people between 1000-1350. Last written record is from 1408.

Ten generations is completely sustainable by my standards.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Greenland#Norse_set...

Re:Evidence for European presence in the Americas in AD 1021 by runarberg on Thursday October 21, 2021 @12:30PM (#28946949)
Stories of Norse Greenlanders visiting Iceland mention their poverty. They would come to Iceland and taste beer and bread for the first time in their lives. They lived, yes, but they definitely did not thrive over there. Perhaps they were sustainable, but they were on the very edge of being so, and when conditions worsened (worse climate, lost trade routes, competition, etc.), they weren’t any more and these settlements were abandoned.
Re:Evidence for European presence in the Americas in AD 1021 by vintermann on Thursday October 21, 2021 @03:57AM (#28941627)
The Norse mostly settled Greenland because they had to, not because it was such a great place to be. It was a frontier, settled by desperate people. Leif's father, the chieftain Eric the Red, had moved there because he had been banished from Iceland over a murder.

And of course the Greenland colony wasn't really sustainable, which is why it died out when a couple of hard turns came their way (climate change and getting cut off from trade for a few years).

Re:Evidence for European presence in the Americas in AD 1021 by acjohnson55 on Wednesday October 20, 2021 @08:46PM (#28938844)
In Animal Crossing, you've got Tom Nook, a whole commercial infrastructure, and an airport to help you out.
Re:Evidence for European presence in the Americas in AD 1021 by RhodesianHunter on Wednesday October 20, 2021 @08:44PM (#28938826)
Provided you're fit and capable it's not too hard until winter rolls around.

Surviving winter solo or in a small group is damned near impossible.

Re:Evidence for European presence in the Americas in AD 1021 by s1artibartfast on Wednesday October 20, 2021 @09:04PM (#28938975)
That really depends on the location, tools you have, and familiarity with the environment.