Re:Truth as Transcendental: Ontological Foundations
by rrwright on Saturday October 23, 2021 @02:21AM
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I realize he’s writing from the Thomist tradition, and so his peers let him get away with such things… but assuming platonic essences exists and are simply given to our minds, and then using that to base the argument for how an intellect apprehends “truth”?? That’s begging the question of the worst kind! It made me cringe while listening and occasionally shout back, “But you can’t just assume that!”
In the analytic tradition, I think you’ll find no better explanation for truth than Quine’s explanation of Tarski’s “Convention T” for the semantic theory of truth. Quine’s short book “The Pursuit of Truth” is a somewhat technical, but richly insightful explanation of how truth works, explained by one of the 20th century’s most important logicians. It’s small, but it’s a slow read, and probably fits well to the kind of formal logic that programmers could enjoy.
Re:Truth as Transcendental: Ontological Foundations
by nathias on Saturday October 23, 2021 @05:35AM
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Analytic tradition (at the time of Quine at least) has not even understood the problem adressed by epistemology like the platonist (which is primitive but at last Plato understood the problem).
Re:Truth as Transcendental: Ontological Foundations
by motohagiography on Friday October 22, 2021 @11:06PM
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Question I would ask is, while I agree (aesthetically) with what I think his position is - when he sets up logical vs. ontological truth as competing models of reality, is he not setting ontological truth as "real reality," and then logical truth as "reality prime," as in, he has set up a figure/ground relationship that favours ontological truth, but appears to be arguing as though he is weighing them as complementary?
Maybe he's still setting it up after the halfway point? I don't disagree with him about the necessary conditions for transcendental truth, but the form of his argument seems to leave that thread to be tugged on.
Re:Truth as Transcendental: Ontological Foundations
by sigg3 on Saturday October 23, 2021 @02:00AM
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I haven't read the article, but logical truth is always "just" axiomatic. You can relate it to empirical reality using e.g. correspondence theory, induction, authoritative texts and other relating methods (ontologies).
An ontology, on the other hand, is the study of what is or in sum what reality is, when understood from the viewpoint of the author. That's its raison d'être.
Perhaps this is relevant? I stopped reading these articles because I'm too rusty.
In the analytic tradition, I think you’ll find no better explanation for truth than Quine’s explanation of Tarski’s “Convention T” for the semantic theory of truth. Quine’s short book “The Pursuit of Truth” is a somewhat technical, but richly insightful explanation of how truth works, explained by one of the 20th century’s most important logicians. It’s small, but it’s a slow read, and probably fits well to the kind of formal logic that programmers could enjoy.
Maybe he's still setting it up after the halfway point? I don't disagree with him about the necessary conditions for transcendental truth, but the form of his argument seems to leave that thread to be tugged on.
An ontology, on the other hand, is the study of what is or in sum what reality is, when understood from the viewpoint of the author. That's its raison d'être.
Perhaps this is relevant? I stopped reading these articles because I'm too rusty.