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Re:Facebook Settles with U.S. Gov over Improperly Reserving ... by jmwilson on Tuesday October 19, 2021 @02:34PM (#28921674)
An earlier article has a bit more description of the complaint: https://archive.md/67DiB

For those curious about how this works, the company has to show it tried and couldn't hire a US resident, but they don't have to try very hard... so the company posts a brief job opening in a local newspaper. When nobody responds, because it's the newspaper, tada! Proof there was no American-based talent capable of filling the job.

Re:Facebook Settles with U.S. Gov over Improperly Reserving ... by outworlder on Tuesday October 19, 2021 @03:16PM (#28922342)
> a brief job opening in a local newspaper

Not just a brief job opening and it is not just one. It has to be posted twice and there are further requirements, can't just be a footnote.

In addition, they have to post the job offers in a board visible in the company.

This is part of the PERM process, which is step 1 out of 3.

If you are complaining about the 'newspaper' thing, that's why immigration reform is needed. You can guess how old the regulations are.

EDIT: https://www.immi-usa.com/perm/perm-advertising-requirements/

Re:Facebook Settles with U.S. Gov over Improperly Reserving ... by kodah on Tuesday October 19, 2021 @03:10PM (#28922262)
About ten years ago, I remember getting low-balled by most coastal tech companies while living in the South. Absurdly low-balled at that. I wonder if this kind of activity is related to this kind of scheme.
Re:Facebook Settles with U.S. Gov over Improperly Reserving ... by MisterBastahrd on Tuesday October 19, 2021 @03:14PM (#28922325)
They should be expected to try hard.

Been a recruiter. It's comical what companies list in order to hire the cheap H1 they wanted all along. Absolutely no way anybody has the experience they claim they want most of the time.

Re:Facebook Settles with U.S. Gov over Improperly Reserving ... by commandlinefan on Tuesday October 19, 2021 @03:55PM (#28922893)
Was out of work a few years back and responded to a job posting from LinkedIn. The posting had a LONG laundry list of requirements - maybe 15 or so (Java, JavaScript, Spring, Hibernate, Angular, JAXB, SQL, etc.) and another long list of "nice to haves" (MySQL, shell scripting, AWS, etc.) and I had years of hands-on experience with all of them. Every single one. I still didn't get the job.
Re:Facebook Settles with U.S. Gov over Improperly Reserving ... by RachelF on Tuesday October 19, 2021 @04:46PM (#28923538)
Another trick is to post the job on Linkedin - for one minute.

I've seen a few job ads that are active from 11:59-12:00

Re:Facebook Settles with U.S. Gov over Improperly Reserving ... by WesolyKubeczek on Tuesday October 19, 2021 @02:41PM (#28921752)
Is this a requirement in the US just for the initial hire, or do you also need to do the same when turning temporary position into a permanent one so your employee has a reason to apply for permanent residence, too?
Re:Facebook Settles with U.S. Gov over Improperly Reserving ... by NovemberWhiskey on Tuesday October 19, 2021 @03:48PM (#28922801)
The LC (Labor Certification) process that's being described is a requirement to sponsor an employment-based immigrant visa; what most people call a Green Card. It is not, generally, a requirement for non-immigrant visas like the H-1B.

For most people coming from abroad, they're either being hired initially on an H-1B and then - usually after their time on that visa is up - their employer might sponsor them for the immigrant visa.

Others come via the intracompany transferee visa, the L-1. In certain categories, e.g. L-1A, for executives/managers, that visa allows an application for an immigrant visa without the LC process.

Re:Facebook Settles with U.S. Gov over Improperly Reserving ... by spamizbad on Tuesday October 19, 2021 @02:57PM (#28922029)
My understanding is its only before you can sponsor a visa. H1 transfers do not require such efforts.

The other way companies do this: creating job ads that look impossible to fill by requiring 5 years of experience in a technology that's only been around for 2 years.

Surprised Facebook does this as they certainly have no issue paying domestic employees top dollar.

Re:Facebook Settles with U.S. Gov over Improperly Reserving ... by outworlder on Tuesday October 19, 2021 @03:23PM (#28922442)
> My understanding is its only before you can sponsor a visa. H1 transfers do not require such efforts.

What do you mean H1 transfers?

You need to prove that there are no US citizens able to fill the role before you sponsor a H1 visa. You also need to do the same thing again (only much more detailed, including prevailing wage determination yada yada) before you can sponsor for permanent residency.

L1 (intra-company transfers) also require proving that there are no better candidates (in the US company) that can do the same job. Including specifying all the skills and how many people you employ in the US that have those skills.

> The other way companies do this: creating job ads that look impossible to fill by requiring 5 years of experience in a technology that's only been around for 2 years.

If this is true (it probably isn't) why haven't you notified the Department of Labor and USCIS? They will be very interested.

Re:Facebook Settles with U.S. Gov over Improperly Reserving ... by NovemberWhiskey on Tuesday October 19, 2021 @03:31PM (#28922546)
>You need to prove that there are no US citizens able to fill the role before you sponsor a H1 visa.

Pretty sure that's wrong; the requirement for an H1 is a LCA (Labor Condition Application) which is primarily a prevailing-wages thing along with some other labor condition items (e.g. there's not a strike ongoing at the location where you're trying to hire).

Only companies flagged as H1 dependent or 'willful violators' need to certify that they've attempted to hire locally.

Re:Facebook Settles with U.S. Gov over Improperly Reserving ... by outworlder on Tuesday October 19, 2021 @03:54PM (#28922879)
> Only companies flagged as H1 dependent or 'willful violators' need to certify that they've attempted to hire locally.

Ok, maybe I'm wrong – I understand the initial process for L1B a bit better than H1B.

Blanket L1 app, there was an _absolutely enormous_ document stack with all sorts of things(for a blanket L1). Including all the skills, and how many people satisfied those skills in the US. Also information how the company would be able to afford the wages (Fortune 100).

How much of this was absolutely required and how much was the law firm anticipating requests I do not know. The information about skill availability in the US headquarters was absolutely mandatory though.

Re:Facebook Settles with U.S. Gov over Improperly Reserving ... by verifyitnow on Thursday October 21, 2021 @01:47PM (#28948237)
facebook, having over 15% h1b in the us, was classified as h1b dependent.
Re:Facebook Settles with U.S. Gov over Improperly Reserving ... by verifyitnow on Thursday October 21, 2021 @01:48PM (#28948254)
this is correct for facebook which is classified as h1b dependent.
Re:Facebook Settles with U.S. Gov over Improperly Reserving ... by a-and on Tuesday October 19, 2021 @03:33PM (#28922570)
An H1 transfer is when an active H1-B visa is transferred from one company to the other.

If both incoming and outgoing positions are in the same geography and have the same responsibilities (e.g. a software engineer moving between Bay Area companies), the positions are considered equivalent.

> prevailing wage determination

You need to do this for H1 positions as well. You also need to file an LCA to prove the occupation is a "specialty" occupation. The process is in general quite similar.

Re:Facebook Settles with U.S. Gov over Improperly Reserving ... by Zigurd on Tuesday October 19, 2021 @03:24PM (#28922460)
The letter of the H1-B requirements is very reasonable. If you are a first tier tech company, you should have no reason to run the same visa playbook as lower-tier "body shops." It's not a good look and it's not saving them much money.