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Re:Is the world economy entering a wage-price spiral? by mullingitover on Tuesday October 19, 2021 @12:50PM (#28920301)
It seems we might be entering the nightmare scenario where wage growth becomes re-coupled to productivity gains instead of being siphoned away from laborers.
Re:Is the world economy entering a wage-price spiral? by ProjectArcturis on Tuesday October 19, 2021 @12:51PM (#28920316)
Does this need an /s? Don't see how this is a nightmare unless you're a billionaire.
Re:Is the world economy entering a wage-price spiral? by jgsuw on Tuesday October 19, 2021 @12:53PM (#28920342)
Its clearly sarcastic, does that mean it needs an /s?
Re:Is the world economy entering a wage-price spiral? by nyx on Tuesday October 19, 2021 @01:12PM (#28920593)
Original comment was definitely a Poe's Law contender. Hacker News, despite its "gratify curiosity" motto, has never strayed far from its Silicon Valley VC roots, and so these comment threads are brimming with corporation lovers: tech money, people adjacent to tech money, and people who simp for tech money in the hopes that they might be given a slice someday.
Re:Is the world economy entering a wage-price spiral? by tonyedgecombe on Wednesday October 20, 2021 @02:56AM (#28927614)
Or a retiree with an investment based pension.
Re:Is the world economy entering a wage-price spiral? by diordiderot on Wednesday October 20, 2021 @04:57AM (#28928383)
Half of stocks are owned by pensions. The overwhelming majority of that half is owned by a small segment of privileged individuals
Re:Is the world economy entering a wage-price spiral? by tonyedgecombe on Wednesday October 20, 2021 @07:49AM (#28929558)
TIL people with a pension are privileged individuals.
Re:Is the world economy entering a wage-price spiral? by diordiderot on Wednesday October 20, 2021 @07:10PM (#28938062)
40% of Americans 65+ only source of income is social security. The trend is increasing.
Re:Is the world economy entering a wage-price spiral? by tonyedgecombe on Thursday October 21, 2021 @04:00AM (#28941656)
So 60% have some kind of investment income.
Re:Is the world economy entering a wage-price spiral? by imtringued on Wednesday October 20, 2021 @08:30AM (#28929846)
Yes retirees get hurt but you have to understand that these retirees are benefiting from exploitation. Also, they are trying to pretend that there won't be a shortage of workers in 20-30 years as the population gets older.
Re:Is the world economy entering a wage-price spiral? by paulpauper on Tuesday October 19, 2021 @01:05PM (#28920513)
This is an argument of the 'wtf happend in 1971' thesis. I think however, there is another way of looking at it: by treating company profits and employee compensation as obeying a sort of conservation law. So if companies are hoarding profits that would go to workers, then this would be reflected in rising shareholder equity, so if employees invest their wages in stocks, the productivity-compensation gap is lessened. Indeed, the gap between productivity and wages began widening a lot in the early 80s, when the bull market began.
Re:Is the world economy entering a wage-price spiral? by knappe on Tuesday October 19, 2021 @01:12PM (#28920599)
What a bad idea that would be though.

Talk about putting all of your eggs in one basket. I'd have a hard time believing anyone would suggest that you do this, as the risk for things going bad if the company fails is double. You lose income as the company stagnates (or worse get laid off) AND you lose money as the company's stock drops.

Re:Is the world economy entering a wage-price spiral? by mullingitover on Tuesday October 19, 2021 @01:23PM (#28920751)
This all assumes that the working class can even afford to dabble in equity markets when it's being soaked by ever rising rent/healthcare/childcare costs.
Re:Is the world economy entering a wage-price spiral? by piva00 on Tuesday October 19, 2021 @02:31PM (#28921645)
Given the latest news showing that 89% of stocks in the US are owned by the wealthiest 10% of Americans you aren't wrong, at all.
Re:Is the world economy entering a wage-price spiral? by lotsofpulp on Tuesday October 19, 2021 @11:00PM (#28926273)
That report did not account for pension fund and other retirement account investments.
Re:Is the world economy entering a wage-price spiral? by diordiderot on Wednesday October 20, 2021 @05:00AM (#28928411)
2/3 Americans have less that 100k in retirement or pension by age 50.
Re:Is the world economy entering a wage-price spiral? by nostrademons on Tuesday October 19, 2021 @01:31PM (#28920894)
You don't have to invest it in your company. Invest it in whichever company is hoovering up all the profits.

To some extent people have been doing it, which is behind the massive stock price gains from FAANGs. Only benefits you if you did it before everybody else, though, otherwise prices get bid up so high that you don't get a decent number of shares.

Re:Is the world economy entering a wage-price spiral? by cftm on Tuesday October 19, 2021 @02:07PM (#28921369)
Spent three years an eight months working in retail hell, and this was exactly what the company pushed employees to do - they were kind enough to sell shares to employees at a 10% discount but you had to be crazy, grossly miseducated or drank a bit too much of the kool-aid to believe that this organization was a good value store.
Re:Is the world economy entering a wage-price spiral? by magicalist on Tuesday October 19, 2021 @02:47PM (#28921867)
> So if companies are hoarding profits that would go to workers, then this would be reflected in rising shareholder equity, so if employees invest their wages in stocks, the productivity-compensation gap is lessened

Unless the company is paying dividends (and the distribution is proportional to earnings), we can't assume that a company "hoarding profits" would have a correlated stock price.

Re:Is the world economy entering a wage-price spiral? by diordiderot on Wednesday October 20, 2021 @05:03AM (#28928435)
Cash holdings and investment into physical capital are assets that should reflect in share price, no?
Re:Is the world economy entering a wage-price spiral? by marginalia_nu on Tuesday October 19, 2021 @01:17PM (#28920673)
This is of course assuming the profits aren't siphoned off into some offshore tax haven.
Re:Is the world economy entering a wage-price spiral? by spaetzleesser on Tuesday October 19, 2021 @01:31PM (#28920892)
That’s how it looks to me. How dare the low ranks want to benefit from economic growth. How can a country exist without billionaires getting richer?