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Re:David Zucker reflects on "Airplane!" in 2021 by mdp2021 on Tuesday October 19, 2021 @04:28AM (#28916006)
What about the architecture? The alternative world drawn? The originality of the whole product?

You look at the pebbles and have not spotted the cathedral. You overworked the left analytic hemisphere and left the right synthetic one bumping for attention, you "I will only do pecs at the gym because legs are for losers" pedestrian you, comma slash jay.

The architecture is pure genius, the jokes serve it.

Re:David Zucker reflects on "Airplane!" in 2021 by csydas on Tuesday October 19, 2021 @05:22AM (#28916290)
Make the case for those. This is very pretty pose but it doesn't really say anything except that you think these elements exist without any real criticism to back it.

Airplane! is still funny to me but I've never looked at it as anything more than a well delivered (almost) 90 "anything for a laugh" reel.

In fact, the world building part where they establish the backstory is the weakest part for me as structurally it serves as a pause from the non-stop schtick for most of the present day sections, but the differences are very prolonged jokes that don't survive a first watch in my opinion.

The genius isn't so much the architecture it's the delivery and the speed. You don't get time to fully think through everything that happens and the actors play it straight for the most part. There is comedy atop a functional parody and as soon as the gag is done it moves on to the next progression.

In general I like Zucker and his movies but I think here both he and you misunderstand why his movies worked then and which elements worked. The scene with the kids and the lame "like my coffee" joke is not a good scene not because of the joke's adherence to puritán values, but because the entire joke is "look these young kids are saying things adults should." They can't deliver the lines with the same commitment to the short term deviation from reality and it falls flat.

The joke Zucker references in the article about sucking dick again falls flat for me not because of inappropriateness but because it's a lousy joke for someone not in the room or having that relationship dynamic, it's a weak joke without much substance besides the shock of "[Dad] said suck cock".

It's not about right vs left here, it's about understanding what's funny and why stuff is funny. The discussion earlier on this thread about the German dub is a perfect example where the idea of the funny is what makes it work, even if there is no such thing as jive in German; the core logic of the joke is understoodand that's why the dub worked. Comedy has a logic to it and if it's understandable immediately, it's funny because we get how they got to that point. Even early 2000's random humor had a logic to it, albeit a little out there, but there's a reason that it worked for some flash vids and not others.

Comedy is all of the brain, and arguably even more logical part as you have to get the joke to laugh at it. I think we all know a time when someone got the joke way later because they just didn't process it or couldn't process it.

Re:David Zucker reflects on "Airplane!" in 2021 by mdp2021 on Tuesday October 19, 2021 @09:44AM (#28918004)
I just noticed: that joke you called «inappropriate ... lousy joke for someone not in the room or having that relationship dynamic, ... a weak joke without much substance besides the shock» is actually a bathos. These suggestions of addiction, peer pressure, insecurity, doubt, urgency - they are all pathos, the mother stressed. At some point, the father intervened with a "proposal" that put all of that in proportion, and deflated the pathos into bathos. Sympathetic system, parasympathetic system. To suggest that you can laugh about it and live it healthily - also because, since you have the wits required to laugh, you can also use them to avoid pitfalls and come back home without male pregnancy and not addicted to heroin. Take seriously the things that should be taken seriously, respecting a healthy limit. As suggested by the bathos. Which "teaches" you to "breath".

I'd say there's more to it than what you saw.

Re:David Zucker reflects on "Airplane!" in 2021 by mdp2021 on Tuesday October 19, 2021 @05:31AM (#28916346)
(I apologize for the stub, unfortunately "I have to run".)

Why should it be «Comedy»? Maybe it can be just a big construct using jokes. (The intention of the creator does not matter.) Maybe just the "simple" development of absurd over deadpan - which is not "comedic" - defines a core for that cathedral.

Re:David Zucker reflects on "Airplane!" in 2021 by csydas on Tuesday October 19, 2021 @05:42AM (#28916404)
Because you called the comedy bits pebbles ;).
Re:David Zucker reflects on "Airplane!" in 2021 by panick21_ on Tuesday October 19, 2021 @10:38AM (#28918561)
> They can't deliver the lines with the same commitment to the short term deviation from reality and it falls flat.

Looking at some YT reaction videos of that movie, that line always get people laugh ting. It gets some of the best laughs of the movie in fact.

Re:David Zucker reflects on "Airplane!" in 2021 by ryan_lane on Tuesday October 19, 2021 @04:48AM (#28916098)
You're putting way too much thought into this movie. It's a movie of dad jokes with good delivery and timing. I can appreciate that, but it's not a work of genius.
Re:David Zucker reflects on "Airplane!" in 2021 by toyg on Wednesday October 20, 2021 @04:40AM (#28928273)
What one would call "dad jokes" are a small part of the endless array of gags in the movie. From sniffing glue, to the queue to hit the anxious woman, the swordfighting when panic breaks out, speaking jive, blowing the automated pilot, the turkish prison bit - it's a relentless sequence of all possible types of humor.

Comedy doesn't get enough respect because "it's just laughs", but this shit is hard. To pack so many accomplished jokes in such a short movie is genius - particularly in 1974.

Re:David Zucker reflects on "Airplane!" in 2021 by mdp2021 on Tuesday October 19, 2021 @05:23AM (#28916295)
Again (really, again): it's not "thought", it's "eyes" (analysis vs synthesis). On this side. On your side: you are just not seeing it.
Re:David Zucker reflects on "Airplane!" in 2021 by conradfr on Tuesday October 19, 2021 @06:16AM (#28916594)
You should respect comedy more, it's way harder to do than drama.
Re:David Zucker reflects on "Airplane!" in 2021 by hnbad on Tuesday October 19, 2021 @05:02AM (#28916187)
I first watched the film in the early 2000s. I was politically a lot more right-wing then than I am now and enjoyed edgy humor to the point I even frequented 4chan. Not one of the jokes landed for me.

I now call myself a socialist, have an interest in social justice causes and intersectional feminism and am as leftist as I can get. I still can't laugh about any of the jokes.

I think the biggest factor is that the movie plays off tropes of 1950s and 1960s Hollywood movies and this creates a massive cultural disconnect since I have barely watched any of those and the few I did I deliberately watched as an adult.

For similar reasons most of Mel Brooks' movies also never did it for me. I grew up in the 1990s and at the time prime time television happily recycled movies only a few years old rather than digging through the archives.