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Re:YouTube: filmmakers presumed guilty until maybe proven in... by xmprt on Monday October 18, 2021 @05:36PM (#28912091)
Torrents aren't necessarily illegal so I'm not sure why running a website called "kickasstorrents" is relevant.

I've seen a lot of software legally distributed using torrents where even the software creators link to torrents that you can use.

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Re:YouTube: filmmakers presumed guilty until maybe proven in... by coldtea on Monday October 18, 2021 @05:43PM (#28912177)
>Torrents aren't necessarily illegal so I'm not sure why running a website called "kickasstorrents" is relevant.

Because we all know that website and what torrents it had. That "torrents aren't necessarily illegal" are neither here, nor there. Their torrents were illegal.

(Not that I'm against it, but well, it's not like they're fooling anyone with the "torrents aren't necessarily illegal" defense for their particular case. That wasn't some FOSS/PD software torrent site, and that wasn't why people visited it, or why it was run...).

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Re:YouTube: filmmakers presumed guilty until maybe proven in... by nitrogen on Monday October 18, 2021 @06:11PM (#28912473)
Their torrents were illegal.

Was that true in the countries where they had a local presence?

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Re:YouTube: filmmakers presumed guilty until maybe proven in... by beernutz on Monday October 18, 2021 @07:04PM (#28912941)
Torrents themselves are NOT illegal. They contain no copyrighted data. At all.
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Re:YouTube: filmmakers presumed guilty until maybe proven in... by rtkwe on Monday October 18, 2021 @07:43PM (#28913270)
It's close enough though that it's a pretty easy case to make for contributory infringement.
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Re:YouTube: filmmakers presumed guilty until maybe proven in... by mechanical_bear on Tuesday October 19, 2021 @01:28AM (#28915153)
That certainly isn’t settled law.
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Re:YouTube: filmmakers presumed guilty until maybe proven in... by coldtea on Tuesday October 19, 2021 @08:11AM (#28917228)
Good luck arguing that in court
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Re:YouTube: filmmakers presumed guilty until maybe proven in... by coldtea on Tuesday October 19, 2021 @03:41AM (#28915758)
That's more like a drug dealer caught with 200 plastic bags of cocaine saying plastic bags are not illegal, they contain no drug substances at all. Sure, but most of the torrents they had there pointed to copyrighted data, and facilitated their download, which is illegal.
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Re:YouTube: filmmakers presumed guilty until maybe proven in... by phoneperson on Tuesday October 19, 2021 @07:02AM (#28916815)
More like someone telling people who their dealer is, except the dealers give away copies of books for free, some legal but most illegal.
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Re:YouTube: filmmakers presumed guilty until maybe proven in... by phoneperson on Monday October 18, 2021 @06:12PM (#28912479)
I did download an Ubuntu ISO from there more than a decade ago, and some films that I presume were in the public domain due to their age.
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Re:YouTube: filmmakers presumed guilty until maybe proven in... by monocasa on Monday October 18, 2021 @06:41PM (#28912732)
Interestingly, copyright for video is very complicated, and the remastering process necessary to convert from film stock to digital generally has enough creative input legally to be considered valid for copyright protection. I don't think it's currently possible for a digital film to be aged out of copyright.
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Re:YouTube: filmmakers presumed guilty until maybe proven in... by coldtea on Tuesday October 19, 2021 @03:38AM (#28915741)
Well, my drug dealer also sold me a watch once. But 99% he had crack for sale.
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Re:YouTube: filmmakers presumed guilty until maybe proven in... by markdown on Monday October 18, 2021 @06:33PM (#28912666)
> Their torrents were illegal.

Illegal in the US.

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Re:YouTube: filmmakers presumed guilty until maybe proven in... by coldtea on Tuesday October 19, 2021 @03:38AM (#28915746)
And most of the world, where international agreements hold.
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