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Re:AWS is playing chess, Cloudflare is playing Go by gzer0 on Monday October 18, 2021 @10:08AM (#28905572)
Meanwhile, AWS holds 41% of the entire marketspace, with $14.8 billion USD in revenues per quarter. Extrapolating that a bit, $60 billion USD in revenues... $500 million is peanuts compared to this [1].

What Cloudflare is trying to do is remarkable considering what they are up against.

[1] https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/29/aws-earnings-q2-2021.html

Re:AWS is playing chess, Cloudflare is playing Go by nuerow on Monday October 18, 2021 @10:36AM (#28905839)
> What Cloudflare is trying to do is remarkable considering what they are up against.

I repeat, Cloudflare is already the world's leading CDN provider, ahead of AWS by a long margin. This is not a David vs Golias story. At most it's a CDN Golias vs a all-in Golias.

It's disingenuous to compare Cloudflare and it's CDN offering to AWS at face value based on gross revenue. AWS offers everything from build pipelines to satellite ground stations, and even provides backup services comprised of a big truck with armed guards.

Cloudflare is impressive and very successful, but it's by no means a small upstart, specially when it serves a market where it eclipse all competitors, including AWS.

Re:AWS is playing chess, Cloudflare is playing Go by tw04 on Monday October 18, 2021 @10:48AM (#28905977)
Perhaps you meant Goliath?

In any case, it kind of is a David vs. Goliath. Cloudflare currently employs ~1800 people and has revenues of under a billion dollars. They don't qualify as a large enterprise by anyone's definition. They aren't a 2-man shop but they are very much a David in the broader market. Amazon is an absolute monstrosity in comparison.

Re:AWS is playing chess, Cloudflare is playing Go by chucksmash on Monday October 18, 2021 @11:14AM (#28906247)
Golias is used in some other languages. See, e.g., http://www.bibliadinamica.comunidades.net/o-gigante-golias
Re:AWS is playing chess, Cloudflare is playing Go by imwillofficial on Monday October 18, 2021 @11:30AM (#28906470)
Interesting read!
Re:AWS is playing chess, Cloudflare is playing Go by didibus on Monday October 18, 2021 @01:09PM (#28907849)
I think OP is correct, I'm not sure a judge would say that the "market" here is the entire set of cloud offerings. If the market is CDN, Cloudflare is the current market leader.

I think this is generally how things are seen. For example, in the Apple vs Epic lawsuit, the judge said the market was "mobile gaming", and that in that space Apple was not a monopoly.

Amazon total revenue adds up, but in each of the cloud categories they operate in, are they the leader?

Re:AWS is playing chess, Cloudflare is playing Go by streetcat1 on Monday October 18, 2021 @12:50PM (#28907637)
So AWS as well the other public clouds are being dis-integrated by small startups - see snowflake for DW and now cloud flare.

Note that cloud flare is not fighting against AWS or Amazon but only against the S3 team inside AWS.

Re:AWS is playing chess, Cloudflare is playing Go by lkbm on Monday October 18, 2021 @12:57PM (#28907715)
At this point they're competing with CloudFront, S3, and Lambda, but it is still a a long ways away from all of AWS.
Re:AWS is playing chess, Cloudflare is playing Go by nuerow on Monday October 18, 2021 @03:12PM (#28910140)
> * At this point they're competing with CloudFront, S3, and Lambda, but it is still a a long ways away from all of AWS. *

Cloudflare's offering does not compete with Lambda at all. They have completely distinct usecases.

Cloudflare Workers at best compete with Lambda@Edge, which in spite of its name is actually a CloudFront feature.

https://aws.amazon.com/lambda/edge/

Re:AWS is playing chess, Cloudflare is playing Go by kentonv on Monday October 18, 2021 @04:39PM (#28911397)
Cloudflare Workers competes with both Lambda and Lambda@Edge. Workers is a general-purpose compute platform that happens to run on the edge; it is not a platform intended to be specific to things that need to run on the edge.

(Disclosure: I'm the tech lead of Workers.)

Re:AWS is playing chess, Cloudflare is playing Go by yazaddaruvala on Monday October 18, 2021 @07:09PM (#28912985)
It's probably better said as, "CF Workers competes with Lambda's synchronous use-cases".

Based on what I understand, there are still a few things missing to compete with Lambda's asynchronous use-cases. e.g. Step Functions, 15 min time limits, non-cron events (i.e. events for every CF product), batching events into the same execution, etc. While some of these are technically "not part of Lambda", to compete with Lambda CF needs the ecosystem as well.

Disclosure: 1. I'm an AMZN investor, therefore calling out that the ecosystem is worth keeping in mind. 2. I'm a NET investor, therefore calling out that I'm looking forward to seeing the ecosystem develop :)

Re:AWS is playing chess, Cloudflare is playing Go by aynsof on Monday October 18, 2021 @04:21PM (#28911136)
I'd say that CloudFront Functions was a closer functional fit (and likely created in response to Cloudflare Workers). Lambda@Edge, despite the name, doesn't actually run at edge locations, but CloudFront Functions does.