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Re:Francis Fukuyama’s Defense of Liberalism by 1cvmask on Saturday October 16, 2021 @04:08PM (#28891020)
Obama killed more people than all three of the names you cite. In fact he killed more than all the world leaders combined during his temure.

In fact he was the first Nobel Peace Prize recipient to kill another recipient.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/doctors-without-borders-bombi...

He killed american citizens without due process and get it a beatiful Orwellian name:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disposition_Matrix

He even killed a 16 year old American:

https://theintercept.com/2017/01/30/obama-killed-a-16-year-o...

Obama created the world’s largest surveillance state. He illegally spied on US citizens and his administration constantly lied to Congress about in testimony under oath.

He put kids in cages.

He deported more people than all American Presidents ever.

He did not fire anyone who tortured people.

He kept Guantanamo bay open.

The worlds largest prison population (aka forced prison labor or concentration camp) increased under his tenure.

He illegally spied on members of Congress and the opposition.

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2014/07/31/336855226...

So is that good leadership to you?

Re:Francis Fukuyama’s Defense of Liberalism by eynsham on Saturday October 16, 2021 @04:38PM (#28891277)
Lots of these specific claims are correct, though I’m not really sure how you get

> Obama killed more people than all three of the names you cite

and indeed that’s sufficiently vague and open to quibbling that I’m not surprised you give a source (and the truth of this would likely be resolved on dubious definitional grounds rather than anything more generally meaningful).

I suppose the other question is this: what relation does this have to the parent comment? Of course Obama is I suppose a fairly good example of a liberal, but he’s not the only one, and it’s quite plausible that he did these things qua president of the American Empire (not a ‘liberal’ position) rather than qua a liberal; compare, say, Icelandic or Zambian liberalism, which, not being attached to great imperial apparatuses, don’t tend to do this sort of thing.