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Re:Ask HN: What does one look for in a laptop these days? by smoldesu on Saturday October 16, 2021 @11:54AM (#28888725)
- A good (not Homebrew and not quite Macports) package manager.

- Ways to permanently disable Gatekeeper

- Some kind of quick setup. On Linux I use a bootstrapping script, MacOS does not offer the same extensibility.

- Real virtualization support like QEMU

- Real container support (if I set up another local Docker host on a Mac I swear to god...)

- Up-to-date coreutils

- A way to install Git without dragging along a few gigs of dependencies

- Ways to monitor my network usage and ensure Apple isn't spying on me

- Real encryption (eg. Apple/NSA isn't holding a master key)

- CUDA support

- 32-bit app execution

- A way to disable the hash that gets sent to Apple every time I open an app

That's just the starter kit, if I sat down with some pen and paper I could probably keep going ad-infinitum.

Re:Ask HN: What does one look for in a laptop these days? by chias on Saturday October 16, 2021 @01:18PM (#28889455)
I feel you, but for me it's not a list of deficiencies in OSX. I came from Linux then used OSX almost exclusively (because work) for about 4 years and I still hate it. I agree the list of things above are real problems, but you could solve all of them and I'd still hate it.

For me it basically it comes down to this:

Macs are just similar enough to the Linux to fool me into thinking I know what I'm doing. But then things are just subtly different such that nothing quite works. It's like, if you were Satan and your Q4 objective was to design a computer that you could give to me -- a "computer expert" -- to make me feel like a moron every time I try to do literally anything at all on it... Apple computers pretty much hit it out of the park.

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It's also a lot of little usability things. I thought Apple was supposed to be the usability king? Yet it patently cannot handle simple things like:

* I want "natural" scrolling on the touchpad, but "regular" scrolling when using a plugged-in mouse with a mousewheel. The options are in TWO DIFFERENT settings windows, but changing one changes the other. Why? Even Linux, not famed as the Usability King, had this figured out in 2012.

* I want one of my monitors to be vertical. When I plug them in, it's a coin-toss as to whether or not it will remember which one it is. 50% of the time I have to tilt my head 90 degrees and set the 270* monitor to 0* and the 0* monitor to 270*. In the end I wrote an apple-script to do this automatically and bound it to a keyboard key.

Re:Ask HN: What does one look for in a laptop these days? by mattnewton on Saturday October 16, 2021 @02:08PM (#28889973)
> I want "natural" scrolling on the touchpad, but "regular" scrolling when using a plugged-in mouse with a mousewheel. The options are in TWO DIFFERENT settings windows, but changing one changes the other. Why? Even Linux, not famed as the Usability King, had this figured out in 2012.

This also drives me bonkers. The reason I think it is still this way is that at Apple everyone is using the Magic Mouse which has touch scrolling on it (you scroll like a trackpad with your finger) and so presumably most never toggle this. Another example of pain if you go off the happy path the apple developers use and keep tidy and clean.

Re:Ask HN: What does one look for in a laptop these days? by tshell on Saturday October 16, 2021 @08:54PM (#28893022)
I have this exact preference as well, and my solution was this little utility app: https://pilotmoon.com/scrollreverser/ Being a Mac user for many years, I’ve found that there’s almost always been some simple app that I’ve been able to find that can fit my UX preferences.
Re:Ask HN: What does one look for in a laptop these days? by AnonC on Saturday October 16, 2021 @12:56PM (#28889253)
> - Ways to monitor my network usage and ensure Apple isn't spying on me

This may not be complete monitoring, but Little Snitch (from obdev.at) can monitor outgoing connections, alert you and let you to block or allow those. Last year when macOS Big Sur was released, this didn’t work for a while for Apple’s programs, but that was later changed by Apple.

Re:Ask HN: What does one look for in a laptop these days? by yjftsjthsd-h on Saturday October 16, 2021 @12:47PM (#28889166)
- A good (not Homebrew and not quite Macports) package manager.

nix?

- Some kind of quick setup. On Linux I use a bootstrapping script, MacOS does not offer the same extensibility.

Apple mdm implies that the hooks exist, although I know notthing of using that and it very well might be insufficient.

- Real virtualization support like QEMU

Isn't hyperkit decent?

I agree with the general thrust of your comment, though; just unsure of some details.

Re:Ask HN: What does one look for in a laptop these days? by nightpool on Saturday October 16, 2021 @02:25PM (#28890140)
Wait, are you saying that if you set up FileVault to not use your iCloud account, Apple still holds a master key? I thought that was the whole point of using your own recovery key
Re:Ask HN: What does one look for in a laptop these days? by walterbell on Sunday October 17, 2021 @08:11AM (#28895890)
Seconding this question!

2017 article says Apple doesn't have a copy without iCloud enabled, https://www.macworld.com/article/229963/want-to-recover-a-fi...

Re:Ask HN: What does one look for in a laptop these days? by smoldesu on Sunday October 17, 2021 @08:06PM (#28900863)
I can't respond in good faith without access to the source code. Everything that I would tell you is just conjecture based on either trust or hatred of Apple, which is equally useless to the consumer. Use your best judgement.
Re:Ask HN: What does one look for in a laptop these days? by mustache_kimono on Sunday October 17, 2021 @01:27PM (#28898096)
Re: package managers, have really enjoyed pkgsrc. Only wish there were more prebuilt packages.
Re:Ask HN: What does one look for in a laptop these days? by da39a3ee on Sunday October 17, 2021 @07:38AM (#28895739)
What do you want to do that homebrew doesn’t do well?