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Re:Former Boeing 737 Max Chief Technical Pilot Indicted for ... by Waterluvian on Friday October 15, 2021 @12:26AM (#28874287)
I think you’re deeply misunderstanding the purpose of the FAA and the magnitude of the problem here.

Like almost every other agency (the FDA didn’t do the vaccine trials; are they incompetent too?) they don’t do the tests. They just police the industry.

Theoretically if you set laws and regulations and dole out severe punishment for bad behaviour, you don’t need to be the one running the tests.

People should want their government to run on trust (if their culture is compatible with trust) because it’s far cheaper and more efficient.

Re:Former Boeing 737 Max Chief Technical Pilot Indicted for ... by landemva on Friday October 15, 2021 @12:40AM (#28874367)
'and dole out severe punishment for bad behaviour'

When will Boeing CEO and Board of Directors get locked up as part of the severe punishment?

Re:Former Boeing 737 Max Chief Technical Pilot Indicted for ... by KMag on Friday October 15, 2021 @02:09AM (#28874834)
Presumably when it is shown beyond a reasonable doubt that they conspired or deliberately overlooked the fraud. The prosecutor has every incentive to get participants to roll over and follow the conspiracy as high up the ladder as it goes. Successfully prosecuting such a large profile case, particularly with defendants with very little public sympathy, would make his/her career.
Re:Former Boeing 737 Max Chief Technical Pilot Indicted for ... by Cipater on Friday October 15, 2021 @04:00AM (#28875465)
>The prosecutor has every incentive to get participants to roll over and follow the conspiracy as high up the ladder as it goes.

This is naivette.

See this:

https://www.corporatecrimereporter.com/news/200/lead-boeing-...

From the article:

the case was settled with a deferred prosecution agreement — an agreement that Columbia Law Professor John Coffee at the time called — “one of the worst deferred prosecution agreements I have seen.”

Boeing did not have to plead guilty to any of the allegations.

No Boeing executive was charged.

And the Boeing deferred prosecution agreement included an unusual provision finding that a compliance monitor was not necessary because “the misconduct was neither pervasive across the organization, nor undertaken by a large number of employees, nor facilitated by senior mismanagement.”

“That is without precedent,” Coffee told Corporate Crime Reporter earlier this year. “I have not seen that anywhere else and I’ve looked at a number of deferred prosecution agreements. Prosecutors themselves are not conducting the investigation.”

Boeing’s lead corporate criminal defense law firm is Kirkland & Ellis.

Erin Nealy Cox, the lead prosecutor in the Boeing case, left the Justice Department earlier this year.

And last month she joined Kirkland & Ellis as a partner in its Dallas office.

Re:Former Boeing 737 Max Chief Technical Pilot Indicted for ... by KMag on Friday October 15, 2021 @04:42AM (#28875672)
Wow. Thanks for the background. It seems to me there should be a special investigator appointed to look into potential prossecutorial misconduct here.
Re:Former Boeing 737 Max Chief Technical Pilot Indicted for ... by lazide on Friday October 15, 2021 @03:10AM (#28875179)
Since you’re not going to find any documentation of that because of CYA, and Boeing is the flagship US aircraft manufacturer with a protected (as in ‘in the interest of national security’ protected) position to offset Airbus - that’s pretty much not going to happen.
Re:Former Boeing 737 Max Chief Technical Pilot Indicted for ... by KMag on Friday October 15, 2021 @04:40AM (#28875663)
I think it would be possible to ring-fence the individuals to be prosecuted, facilitate an orderly handover of power inside Boeing, and then prosecute the individuals without risking mortal damage to the company.
Re:Former Boeing 737 Max Chief Technical Pilot Indicted for ... by ethbr0 on Friday October 15, 2021 @06:58AM (#28876439)
That ring should probably extend around McDonnell Douglas' management from the 90s, which made their ways into the upper echelon of Boeing during the merger.
Re:Former Boeing 737 Max Chief Technical Pilot Indicted for ... by lazide on Friday October 15, 2021 @03:01AM (#28875136)
So if the FDA is unable to find someone who can understand or can’t interpret/understand the studies themselves enough to see flaws or likely fake data, they should just take the companies word for it that it’s all good?

Last I remember this being a topic of discussion, the stance was ‘trust but verify’ no?

While it may be efficient to rubber stamp things, it is not doing their job. Folks scam all the time, especially if they know no one is looking.

If they lack the competence to be able to independently verify, they aren’t being effective regulators.

Re:Former Boeing 737 Max Chief Technical Pilot Indicted for ... by ethbr0 on Friday October 15, 2021 @07:00AM (#28876453)
> If they lack the competence to be able to independently verify, they aren’t being effective regulators.

Bingo. If I use 3 managers and PMs who don't know how to program for a code review, then that's not a very effective code review.