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Re:Gitlab from YC to IPO by robinhood on Thursday October 14, 2021 @05:29PM (#28870414)
Microsoft is the largest open source organization in the world today. What else do they need to do to gain some kind of trust? I love what they do with Github since the acquisition. VSCode is amazing. They've open source most of their programming language. Github is free for open source org and there are no limits to the CI usage.

Trusting Gitlab more than Github is naive at this point. They are in the position of needing to generate as much revenue as possible to satisfy their investors. Github is not in this position anymore.

Re:Gitlab from YC to IPO by Mikeb85 on Thursday October 14, 2021 @10:44PM (#28873547)
> What else do they need to do to gain some kind of trust?

Stop doing shady shit. The whole .NET Foundation kerfuffle from last week... Or concerns about how Copilot trains its data...

I like some of the open source work they do. It's nice that they opensourced LSP and built VSCode. I like some of the language research they do (their contributions to Haskell, Pony and F* more or less originated there, plus their mainstream languages) but can't shake the feeling that they only embraced open-source to get developers back on their side after losing out on mobile and much of the initial cloud rush.

Anyhow, I use some of their stuff, but I only trust the licenses, not the company. Not huge on having them lock me into a platform.

Re:Gitlab from YC to IPO by lmm on Friday October 15, 2021 @02:22AM (#28874905)
Like any big company, they have no ideology beyond making money. That actually makes it easy to trust them in a certain sense: they're not going to do things that don't benefit them, but they're not going to do something utterly crazy the way ideology-driven organizations can.

I agree that the main reason they're doing good things for developers is to get developers on board. But that doesn't negate that they're doing good things for developers.

Re:Gitlab from YC to IPO by JoelMcCracken on Friday October 15, 2021 @06:03PM (#28883649)
But that's the whole problem with "trusting" microsoft. Their stated motto used to be "embrace, extend, extinguish". How do we know that has seriously changed on all levels?

I do not believe that Microsoft is fundamentally on board with the open source model. Its an alliance of convenience. If suddenly they think they can make more money some other way, they'll do that. They might not even actually destroy anything explicitly, merely ruin things out of indifference.

Re:Gitlab from YC to IPO by GoblinSlayer on Friday October 15, 2021 @04:33AM (#28875626)
It's just business, nothing personal, no trust involved.
Re:Gitlab from YC to IPO by ekianjo on Thursday October 14, 2021 @06:58PM (#28871342)
Largest open source organization based on what metrics ? They havent open up any of their bread making products.
Re:Gitlab from YC to IPO by atonse on Thursday October 14, 2021 @08:40PM (#28872352)
Open sourcing .NET under an Apache license was a great move. And so was making it cross platform. I surely missed C# my first few years without it.

Open Source isn’t some weird religion where it only matters if you open source the stuff that makes you money.

Re:Gitlab from YC to IPO by harry8 on Friday October 15, 2021 @12:16AM (#28874222)
How does that work with their patent threats? Eg against mono, gnome, tomtom(?) for using a Free implementation of the fat filesystem?

I haven't been following it but is all that renounced so it can't possibly come back or be applied to the next people?

My first reaction is "How do we know that releasing the code isn't just bait?"

Re:Gitlab from YC to IPO by ekianjo on Friday October 15, 2021 @05:03AM (#28875778)
> Open Source isn’t some weird religion where it only matters if you open source the stuff that makes you money.

Yet they love Open Source so much they use patents aggressively to extract resources from the Android project.

Don't believe all the BS made by the Microsoft PR.

Re:Gitlab from YC to IPO by GoblinSlayer on Friday October 15, 2021 @03:14AM (#28875208)
Microsoft doesn't ask for trust, just minds its business.