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Re:Governor vows criminal prosecution of reporter who found ... by mindcrime on Thursday October 14, 2021 @02:26PM (#28868028)
I try to be an optimistic person, I really do. I try to remind myself that the sky isn't literally falling, and that the world is a more generally pleasant and peaceful place today than what it has been throughout much of history.

But.

Every time I see something like this, it just about drains my spirit to nothingness. I want to embrace nihilism and just quit giving a fuck about anything or anybody when I see stupidity on this level, and displayed by somebody who managed to get elected governor of a %@%#ng US state. It really is hard sometimes, to not just withdraw into a shell of isolation and decide "fuck it, this world is too damned stupid for me to bother with."

I don't like feeling that way mind you, and I actively try to fight the urge to give in to that kind of thinking, but it seems to get harder and harder with every passing year. Am I weird in this regard, or are other people experiencing this as well?

Re:Governor vows criminal prosecution of reporter who found ... by n8cpdx on Thursday October 14, 2021 @03:51PM (#28869114)
I'm with you. It is really hard. First big wake up call was Brexit and the election of DJT. Are my countrymen really willing to shit on dedicated public servants and throw away the foundation of our remarkably safe and prosperous world? Sadly, yes, and the europeans are just as eager; madness everywhere.

I stepped out of public engagement for a while, then moved to Portland when I was ready to get back in. That was a whole new lesson: the lefty/progressive types are just as bad at governing. And the leftist/progressive voters are just as likely as the right to treat politics like a team sport. Portland is more dangerous for black people than Chicago now #BlackLivesMatter. Developers keep pulling out of affordable housing developments because of planning bullshit, and the city thinks its a good idea to mandate that contractors be women owned. Meanwhile, thousands are sleeping rough.

The politicians are awful, but in a democracy, the fault for that lies 100% with the people. Elected office, like next-door, doesn't make people bad; it simply reflects the rotten core of 21st century civil society.

Absolutely maddening is the lack of interest in concrete policy or actually using data to analyze changes and measure success.

I think I'm about ready to stop caring and have a nice life while my species hurtles towards the great filter. Life and the universe are meaningless anyway.

Re:Governor vows criminal prosecution of reporter who found ... by mullingitover on Thursday October 14, 2021 @04:41PM (#28869784)
> The politicians are awful, but in a democracy, the fault for that lies 100% with the people.

Democracy is a convenient way for the ruling class to hand-pick the people who are allowed to run for office and blame the voters for any bad results. There's research showing that there's very little correlation between the policy goals of the voting public and policy outcomes, but there's a strong correlation between policy goals of the ruling class and policy outcomes.

Re:Governor vows criminal prosecution of reporter who found ... by jameshart on Thursday October 14, 2021 @07:44PM (#28871810)
seems tautological.

If you accept that there is such a thing as a 'ruling class', then presumably the only way to define them is 'the people who get their policy goals accomplished'. Because that's what 'ruling' means.

Re:Governor vows criminal prosecution of reporter who found ... by mullingitover on Thursday October 14, 2021 @09:17PM (#28872695)
It seems awfully naive to pretend there isn't a class that generally is catered to by government. They're typically some or all of these:

- in the top .1% of net worth

- in executive leadership positions

- attend elite universities

- frequently possessing generational wealth

I hope this helps.

Re:Governor vows criminal prosecution of reporter who found ... by what_is_orcas on Thursday October 14, 2021 @04:13PM (#28869388)
> The politicians are awful, but in a democracy, the fault for that lies 100% with the people.

Yes and no. Yes in that the politicians are selected from people they represent (in theory), but also no in that once a person becomes a politician, their incentives change and they are no longer representing the people that elected them.

Further, once in power, the systems can be "rigged" into maintaining that power (gerrymandering is an example of this). DJT couldn't become King of America without first becoming president. Once he became president, though, he definitely tried to rig the system to make him, effectively, King of America.

Re:Governor vows criminal prosecution of reporter who found ... by jonas21 on Thursday October 14, 2021 @04:00PM (#28869229)
> It really is hard sometimes, to not just withdraw into a shell of isolation and decide "fuck it, this world is too damned stupid for me to bother with."

In moderation, I think this is actually the correct response. Unless you live in Missouri, who cares what stupid things the Governor of Missouri says?

In a previous era, you never would have heard about this story at all. It's just a politician in a minor state trying to score some political points. It's very unlikely they'll actually charge the reporter with anything, much less convince a jury to convict.

In today's connected world, it's easy to get news from anywhere at anytime and be outraged. Sometimes you just have to ignore it for your own sanity.

Re:Governor vows criminal prosecution of reporter who found ... by tshaddox on Thursday October 14, 2021 @04:31PM (#28869647)
> Unless you live in Missouri, who cares what stupid things the Governor of Missouri says?

Because that person literally rules over millions of people, the overwhelming majority of which didn’t vote for him (1.7m votes out of the 6.1m population). Right now he is literally threatening state violence against a reporter for looking at a government website that accidentally leaked personal information.

Re:Governor vows criminal prosecution of reporter who found ... by dghlsakjg on Thursday October 14, 2021 @06:50PM (#28871264)
Grandstanding politicians are one thing.

Getting a prosecutor to risk their career on prosecuting a journalist for politics is quite a bit more difficult. Journalists are well aware of their rights, and have lawyers between them and law enforcement.

I think its dumb, but as a former photojournalist who had a very large oil company (Haliburton) use a very small police department to come after me for trespassing, I can assure you that the newsroom is NOT scared right now.

Re:Governor vows criminal prosecution of reporter who found ... by hn_throwaway_99 on Thursday October 14, 2021 @07:03PM (#28871399)
> Grandstanding politicians are one thing.

But that's what's got me so depressed over the past 5 years or so. It used to be, in the not too distant past, that politicians were embarrassed to be caught in an easily demonstrable lie or stupid gaffe.

These days they just yell "fake news", repeat the lie/gaffe louder and more frequently (which is EXACTLY what the governor is doing on Twitter [1]), perhaps maybe pair it with a catchy slogan, and that seems to be a winning strategy.

1. https://twitter.com/GovParsonMO/status/1448750830857904129

Re:Governor vows criminal prosecution of reporter who found ... by MangezBien on Thursday October 14, 2021 @04:14PM (#28869416)
The politicization of COVID was the final straw for. me. I have no more faith in humans in a collective sense. I don't see how we can expect democracy to work when people are willfully ignorant of their world and unwilling to do the work to learn.
Re:Governor vows criminal prosecution of reporter who found ... by decebalus1 on Thursday October 14, 2021 @05:01PM (#28870045)
Welcome to the club. The tipping point for me was the politization of Covid.
Re:Governor vows criminal prosecution of reporter who found ... by merpnderp on Thursday October 14, 2021 @02:32PM (#28868089)
It isn't stupidity. Government officials know this kind of thing will ultimately be a loser for them. But they know the mere threat of putting someone through the process of prosecution is punishment enough.

This is what we need to work on correcting. If a judge laughs your case out of court, there should be a severe penalty, especially if you're the government.

Re:Governor vows criminal prosecution of reporter who found ... by hn_throwaway_99 on Thursday October 14, 2021 @06:59PM (#28871357)
> It isn't stupidity.

Hard disagree. If you're arguing that it's malice, and not stupidity, on the part of governor and others that put out this nonsense, then at least they are surely depending on the stupidity of their constituents at large for not laughing them out of office.

And to be clear, I'm not at all taking the position that people who don't have a deep depth of technology are stupid. But pretty much everyone in the US knows how to use a web browser these days, and believing people will buy the governor's completely lobotomized argument [1] is totally embarrassing, either for the governor or his constituents that elected him.

1. https://twitter.com/GovParsonMO/status/1448750830857904129

Re:Governor vows criminal prosecution of reporter who found ... by heavyset_go on Thursday October 14, 2021 @03:35PM (#28868926)
I wouldn't say this is the result of stupidity. This is the result of a governor riling up his base by attacking the press.
Re:Governor vows criminal prosecution of reporter who found ... by roguecoder on Friday October 15, 2021 @01:09AM (#28874527)
I think The Good Place really nailed this one on the head: as our world has become more connected, it no longer fits in our heads. It becomes impossible to know for sure what impact we are having, or even what we might want to change.

Basically, we are living inside a spaghetti mess of a civilisation.

But I’ve also spent twenty years working in various big balls o’ mud codebases, at companies that had big systematic problems that got them that way, and in that time I’ve found some strategies that can make positive changes, even under conditions of extreme chaos & status-obsessed executives. And they all start the same way:

Find a coworker, ask them how their work is going, and then really listen.

Don’t go in with any agenda except building a relationship with you coworker. If the have stuff they are proud of, tell them what you like about it. If they have stuff they are struggling with, you can commiserate. You might be able to help, but probably not: you are both living in a giant mess of a disaster world full of incentive systems that push people to behave the ways they are behaving.

But by setting that aside, by prioritizing your relationship with even just one other person over that perverse system that exists today, you are resisting. Authentic, caring conversations that prioritize people over process are radical acts.

Maybe the first person or the first dozen aren’t interested. That’s okay. Eventually you’ll have a second genuine conversation, and now you have two relationships. You can introduce those two people to each other, and suddenly you have a community.

A community can get things done none of us could do alone.

I learned these techniques from the grouchiest, grumpiest old grey beards I worked with, because they were how they built support for the infrastructure they wanted to use. I’ve use the technique for different purposes (livable code, low alert volumes, sufficient time & space to mentor junior engineers into being the mentors of junior engineers, not selling contracts to Palentir, more than two weeks vacation time, fixing user problems before adding shiny new whistles to get the PM promoted, not planning two years of work at once, etc), but fundamentally it is the same. Positive changes start with building a tiny little corner where we set aside our doubt, gather up our courage and build a community rooted in sufficiency and willing to trust.

Re:Governor vows criminal prosecution of reporter who found ... by natechols on Thursday October 14, 2021 @02:35PM (#28868128)
Read more history! (Especially read what the Wilson administration did to the Socialists - the origin of the phrase "yelling fire in a crowded theater." Many of us would riot if this happened today.) Stories like this have been happening since long before I was born, and will continue to happen long after I die, because voters will continue to elect stupid people some fraction of the time. The correct response isn't nihilism, but constant vigilance, and constant shaming of elected officials who abuse their powers.
Re:Governor vows criminal prosecution of reporter who found ... by mindcrime on Thursday October 14, 2021 @02:46PM (#28868284)
The correct response isn't nihilism, but constant vigilance, and constant shaming of elected officials who abuse their powers.

I want to believe that, but after watching the Trump administration and how people seemed to embrace him more and more despite his continuing shameful acts, it's just hard to sustain belief that this all leads anywhere.

Sorry guys, not trying to be Debbie Downer here. I guess I'm just in a shitty mood today for some reason.

Re:Governor vows criminal prosecution of reporter who found ... by saruken on Thursday October 14, 2021 @03:57PM (#28869183)
> it's just hard to sustain belief that this all leads anywhere

I'm with you 100%. I don't want to be there, but there I am. And sometimes it all feels utterly pointless – civilization, the human endeavour, everything. My particular slippery slope goes like this:

    Humanity is going to waste the one-time gift of fossil fuel accreting the already-grotesque hoards of a few hundred individuals. Then these people will die, nothing will have been gained on the whole, and instead of infrastructure which we could have used to pivot to some recognizable future, our descendants will be left with nothing but unrest and some variety of ecological hot potato. And then we will all die out or revert to a pre-technological state, and either way all the gains of science and human ingenuity will be lost.
Is that how yours goes too?

I don't know what to do about all that, but usually I can convince myself that working on some tiny project to help things not go that way is a worthwhile effort. And of course it's pretty much all I can do.

Also here are a couple quotes that help me get out of such perspective ruts:

* "Even though I'm always in pain, it's worth sticking around to make my corner of the world a slightly better place." -Ricky Gervais' character from After Life

* "I cringe at my arrogance. Actually, cringing at my arrogance is just another, more rarified, level of arrogance." -Alison Bechdel

* "Goodness: You got to make it out of badness. Because there isn't anything else to make it out of." -Robert Penn Warren

Re:Governor vows criminal prosecution of reporter who found ... by NoGravitas on Thursday October 14, 2021 @03:15PM (#28868676)
Yeah, even leaving aside the T-word; there's a broad swath of the US population who are willing to believe anything that is expected of them by their chosen authorities (mainstream Democrats are as guilty of this as Republicans, they just chose different authority figures). Sometimes, insanity is the only sane response to an insane world.
Re:Governor vows criminal prosecution of reporter who found ... by somebehemoth on Thursday October 14, 2021 @03:57PM (#28869186)
> Democrats are as guilty as Republicans

No they aren't. Not even remotely close. I'm exhausted by "both sides". "Both sides" arguments cause apathy in people because what is even the point in voting if, "both sides".

Re:Governor vows criminal prosecution of reporter who found ... by roguecoder on Friday October 15, 2021 @12:51AM (#28874428)
Yep. It is explicit propaganda to try to keep people from resisting their attempts to guarantee permanent minority rule.