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Re:Ask HN: What does one look for in a laptop these days? by randomopining on Thursday October 14, 2021 @12:48PM (#28866674)
You pay $800 and you get your value. The market obviously decided that the value provided is good enough, since their sales are good. Just because you value certain things doesn't mean the collective does.
Re:Ask HN: What does one look for in a laptop these days? by godDLL on Friday October 15, 2021 @07:56AM (#28876790)
Just because some sliver (OK, large sliver) of their consumer base is satisfied with this shit doesn't mean that they didn't live a sizeable amount of people stranded for both hardware and software options. Because they did.

I used to be able to slam an MBP down on the woodworking table, open it up and start typing. Now there is no slamming, because they flimsy. No typing near dust, because they get stuck in the keyboard. Every app is a single window, so you can't chat with two people at once. Everything is in the cloud, so you wait on your very fast computer to do networking all the f.in time (even opening Finder). The UI has lost so much of it's legibility that I don't know what I'm looking at half the time anymore. Active window? Maybe not? What does that label say? Why is this a modal? Where is the "don't ask again items" preference pane?

We have parted ways, I think. I'm not riding with them anymore.

Re:Ask HN: What does one look for in a laptop these days? by mwint on Saturday October 16, 2021 @08:19AM (#28887336)
Flimsy? MacBooks? Are we in different universes?

Keyboard is/was a valid concern. But flimsy, I’m not seeing.

Pretty sure I could murder someone with my M1 MacBook Air, clean it, and then write code.

Re:Ask HN: What does one look for in a laptop these days? by godDLL on Saturday October 16, 2021 @11:15AM (#28888430)
Or poke a hole in the screen by leaving a single speck of sand on the keyboard before closing the lid.

There used to be a thick glass panel in front of it, but no more.

Re:Ask HN: What does one look for in a laptop these days? by mwint on Saturday October 16, 2021 @02:54PM (#28890382)
Again, don’t know where you’re getting this. 2020 MacBook Air has a glass panel. Ctrl-F “glass” on https://www.apple.com/macbook-air/specs/.
Re:Ask HN: What does one look for in a laptop these days? by godDLL on Sunday October 17, 2021 @04:25AM (#28894868)
Would you please do something for me?

Open your new MacBook Air, place a single grain of sand smack in the middle of the keyboard between the G and the H. Close the lid.

Turn around and sit on it.

Tell me all about glass then. If you record it I'll have a listen.

Re:Ask HN: What does one look for in a laptop these days? by mwint on Sunday October 17, 2021 @10:11AM (#28896559)
Holy crap, now I have to sit on it? That’s a bit different than the original claim…
Re:Ask HN: What does one look for in a laptop these days? by godDLL on Sunday October 17, 2021 @11:07AM (#28897012)
Only way to make sure.

Alternatively, throw a pinch of sand on the keyboard, close the lid, bag the Mac. Now, with some vigor, take it out blindly by any corner and trow it down on the thick wooden table, slamming it with it's own weight.

A few times.

And tell me how that gentle test went for you. :)

Re:Ask HN: What does one look for in a laptop these days? by mwint on Sunday October 17, 2021 @02:27PM (#28898565)
Send my condolences to any laptops you use.
Re:Ask HN: What does one look for in a laptop these days? by smoldesu on Saturday October 16, 2021 @05:52PM (#28891921)
Macbooks are easily the flimsiest devices I own if not for the display alone. I've dropped a Thinkpad out of a moving vehicle, and it booted up like nothing happened. My Macbook tumbled 2 feet onto a concrete floor and now the $600 topcase is destroyed...
Re:Ask HN: What does one look for in a laptop these days? by anothernewdude on Saturday October 16, 2021 @07:37AM (#28887148)
This is the market being insane though, because they pay a premium because of branding.
Re:Ask HN: What does one look for in a laptop these days? by 5e92cb50239222b on Saturday October 16, 2021 @07:54AM (#28887214)
Which is especially hilarious in low-income countries like mine. The cheapest latest iPhone (I don't remember what the current number is) costs about 3 median monthly incomes. Most of the population cannot afford one, so what do you do? get a loan and pay in monthly installments until the next one comes out, of course.

This isn't a rare occurrence, I'd say ⅓ of my acquaintances do this. The power of marketing at its finest.