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Re:Child suicides in Japan hit record high by Tade0 on Thursday October 14, 2021 @09:53AM (#28864188)
> It terrible that this is increasing, but it would be interesting to understand if this is unique to Japan or not.

Unfortunately not. The suicide capital of the world (including teenagers) is currently South Korea:

http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20190501000216

which has the highest suicide rate among countries with a population of more than 5mln:

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/suicide-r...

Re:Child suicides in Japan hit record high by murph-almighty on Thursday October 14, 2021 @11:10AM (#28865364)
Maybe a total coincidence that I read this morbid news on South Korea while I've started watching Squid Game, but watching a show that's effectively an allegory of capitalist decline in South Korea makes this news not surprising.
Re:Child suicides in Japan hit record high by staysafeanon on Thursday October 14, 2021 @03:17PM (#28868710)
>capitalist decline in South Korea makes this news not surprising.

South Korea is on a capitalist upswing, not decline. People forget that South Korea was worse off than most of Africa after the Korean War. Capitalism and democracy is what saved them.

Look at their brother to the North if you want to see a real decline.

Re:Child suicides in Japan hit record high by taurath on Thursday October 14, 2021 @05:14PM (#28870218)
Perhaps, though you would be wrong about the state of things - Korea had a fairly big manufacturing base when taken over by Japan, so in a way they had more infrastructure already built that just needed to be repaired or upgraded.

Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korea_under_Japanese_rule

“Capitalism” being called as a reason for success sort of also implies that there is something strong and special about Koreans in that they can make it work, where there are countless other examples of capitalistic societies leading to massive corruption - and indeed Korea has massive megacorps owned by just a few families that are de facto governments in themselves.

Re:Child suicides in Japan hit record high by staysafeanon on Thursday October 14, 2021 @07:13PM (#28871485)
>Perhaps, though you would be wrong about the state of things - Korea had a fairly big manufacturing base when taken over by Japan,

Ugh... I see you overlooked the small fact that the Japanese occupation of the Korean peninsula happened before the Korean War...

"After all, the South was by all standards a failed state after the Korean war (1950-53). GDP per capita in South Korea in early 1960’s was below $100. Lower than Haiti, Ethiopia or Yemen, making South Korea one of the poorest countries in the world. Infrastructure built during the Japanese occupation (1910-1945) was destroyed during the war. All of Korea’s natural resources remained in the North, as well as its industrial facilities. The first years of independence, under the presidency of Rhee Syng-man, brought no economic development and kept South Korea afloat only due to foreign aid." [0]

>“Capitalism” being called as a reason for success sort of also implies that there is something strong and special about Koreans in that they can make it work

There may be something strong and special about Koreans, but one half went capitalist, the other half went Communist/Socialist. The proof is in the pudding.

>where there are countless other examples of capitalistic societies leading to massive corruption

Being capitalist is immaterial to being corrupt.

[0] https://www.forbeswoman.ge/en/post/southkorea

Re:Child suicides in Japan hit record high by taurath on Thursday October 14, 2021 @10:48PM (#28873587)
> There may be something strong and special about Koreans, but one half went capitalist, the other half went Communist/Socialist

I guess explain China vs Taiwan, which are both doing well, although that is certainly glossing over some horrible decades with the cultural revolution.

Re:Child suicides in Japan hit record high by rout39574 on Thursday October 14, 2021 @11:13PM (#28873759)
There are a few other differences between those two polities. I'd say it would be difficult to find a single factor which could convincingly explain their differences.
Re:Child suicides in Japan hit record high by staysafeanon on Thursday October 14, 2021 @11:13PM (#28873758)
Taiwan is still doing better in practically every metric. Even then, China has hilariously bought into capitalism, big time: https://www.forbes.com/sites/rainerzitelmann/2019/07/08/chin...
Re:Child suicides in Japan hit record high by novok on Thursday October 14, 2021 @05:33PM (#28870456)
There is a big cultural meme in Korea about how life is extremely competitive & hard compared to what it should be. I definitely saw what was being referred to about Korea in squid game.
Re:Child suicides in Japan hit record high by staysafeanon on Thursday October 14, 2021 @07:18PM (#28871527)
I know, I'm Korean. It's an insanely hyper-competitve place in all arenas. That's besides the fact that it's capitalist though.
Re:Child suicides in Japan hit record high by TomSwirly on Thursday October 14, 2021 @05:37PM (#28870497)
> South Korea is on a capitalist upswing, not decline.

Yes, that's exactly what PP posits as the cause of these suicides.

Re:Child suicides in Japan hit record high by femiagbabiaka on Thursday October 14, 2021 @03:29PM (#28868857)
things can be good and bad for different reasons at the same time
Re:Child suicides in Japan hit record high by wyager on Thursday October 14, 2021 @03:18PM (#28868720)
Elite Overproduction is in full swing in South Korea. The costs of entering the upper class are increasing and the consequences of failing to enter it are getting worse. People are having almost no children because the costs are so high and the experience of being a child is so brutal (16+ hours of schooling a day is common).

I believe it was Malcom Kyeyune who joked that if North Korea nuked Seoul, it would be the best thing to ever happen to young people in South Korea.

The birth rate in South Korea is like 1/4th the birth rate of North Korea.

Re:Child suicides in Japan hit record high by seoulmetro on Thursday October 14, 2021 @09:17PM (#28872699)
No. Upper class in Korea is more in reach than many other countries in the world. The elites control a lot of money, but it's not as bad as other countries either, and there are more of them.

People are having less children because there is constant downwards pressure to have less children, by society, by politics, by wealth/industry.

Having a kid doesn't cost a lot in South Korea. In fact it's usually beneficial. The problem is that having a kid basically means your main source of income is vulnerable and your situation will more than likely be negatively affected.

Re:Child suicides in Japan hit record high by wyager on Friday October 15, 2021 @09:54AM (#28877705)
> Upper class in Korea is more in reach than many other countries in the world

This is how elite overproduction tends to happen. I suggest you read some of the writing on the causes and effects of EO. The Good Ol Boyz podcast has some episodes on EO in Korea that are pretty good.

If you can get into a relatively high status position by doing better than your peers in a school test, and you’re out of luck otherwise, of course many people are going to spend 16 hours a day studying for those tests.

> People are having less children because there is constant downwards pressure to have less children

Where would you say this pressure comes from and is communicated?

> Having a kid… it's usually beneficial… your situation will more than likely be negatively affected.

This seems contradictory.

Re:Child suicides in Japan hit record high by seoulmetro on Saturday October 16, 2021 @09:10AM (#28887621)
Oh yeah. There is an overproduction of elites in Korea. If what you mean by "they all want to be upper professions of society" etc.

Being a labourer is often highly regarded in lots of low population or first world countries. Not in Korea. Not even without significant immigration. They are just all sardines trying to squeeze into the upper jobs. No one wants to be left out and certainly doesn't consider it a career path.

>Where would you say this pressure comes from and is communicated?

Their workforce and/or lack off work stability, almost entirely.

>This seems contradictory.

If you take it out of context..... yes. But I just said that it'd be financially beneficial to have a kid. But then also introduces instability that might pull the rug underneath when your financially beneficial decision removes your larger chunk of income.

i.e. babies are very affordable, and you get benefits that aren't bad. But also this coincides with losing your job due to having a baby. It's not contradictory as they're both alternate directions. Your job is stable whilst having a baby AND you have a baby? You're benefiting. You have a baby and it ruins your income stream? Those extra savings from having a baby are cancelled out.

Re:Child suicides in Japan hit record high by watwut on Thursday October 14, 2021 @03:48PM (#28869074)
Isn't that issue mostly raising inequality rather then elite overproduction?