Re:FTC Puts Hundreds of Businesses on Notice about Fake Reviews
by wly_cdgr on Thursday October 14, 2021 @03:48AM
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Stop trying to make no passwords happen. It won't happen
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Re:FTC Puts Hundreds of Businesses on Notice about Fake Reviews
by threeseed on Thursday October 14, 2021 @07:03AM
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It sort of has happened for Apple users.
For all sites whenever you signup for a website a random password is generated. And then when you re-visit the site you use FaceID/TouchID to automatically pre-populate the password. At that point it really isn't a password in the traditional sense.
And for an increasing number of sites it bypasses this step entirely and just lets me use FaceID/TouchID.
Re:FTC Puts Hundreds of Businesses on Notice about Fake Reviews
by netizen-936824 on Thursday October 14, 2021 @07:34AM
(#28862939)
Why single out apple? This is the experience for anyone who uses a modern password manager
Re:FTC Puts Hundreds of Businesses on Notice about Fake Reviews
by daedalus_f on Thursday October 14, 2021 @08:02AM
(#28863157)
Most people don’t and won’t change if change requires effort. In contrast by making a password manager functionality the default on Mac/iOS, Apple carries the average user into better security.
Re:FTC Puts Hundreds of Businesses on Notice about Fake Reviews
by dotancohen on Thursday October 14, 2021 @09:56AM
(#28864224)
> really isn't a password in the traditional sense.
Can it be sniffed out with XSS? Can it be sniffed out over the wire on the university Mitm'd network? Can it be stored on the server in plain text?The user experience might have changed, but many of the security aspects have not.
Re:FTC Puts Hundreds of Businesses on Notice about Fake Reviews
by cmeacham98 on Thursday October 14, 2021 @10:04AM
(#28864354)
I'm pretty sure that poor passwords ("password1!") and password reuse combined dwarf basically all other password-related security issues, thus getting users to use a randomly generated password on every website is a magnitude of order more secure.
On top of that, in cases of XSS or a MiTM you've probably already lost and no password alternative will help you.
Re:FTC Puts Hundreds of Businesses on Notice about Fake Reviews
by dotancohen on Thursday October 14, 2021 @10:19AM
(#28864603)
Webauthn is secure even in the case of XSS and Mitm, in the sense that the attackers still cannot access the credentials without user intervention. It tool a long time to convince me, too.
Re:FTC Puts Hundreds of Businesses on Notice about Fake Reviews
by cmeacham98 on Thursday October 14, 2021 @10:36AM
(#28864859)
True but mostly meaningless. XSS and MiTM allow attackers to take over and pretend to be the user after a legit user logs in. The attacker cannot store the credentials and use them later, but they have full access in the moment.
Re:FTC Puts Hundreds of Businesses on Notice about Fake Reviews
by johanneskanybal on Thursday October 14, 2021 @05:45AM
(#28862181)
The only reason for (consumer) passwords you have to remember is lack of an accepted good universal id in general. Here in Sweden it's provided by the banks and has a 94% share of smartphone users, if you look east you have other bigger markets with similar stats. Most passwords already have disappeared or are disappearing, the laggard cases will catch up too, I'd love a similar one for my "work persona".
Re:FTC Puts Hundreds of Businesses on Notice about Fake Reviews
by papito on Thursday October 14, 2021 @11:18AM
(#28865504)
"But people will never let their on-prem servers go into an obscure, shared Cloud".
Re:FTC Puts Hundreds of Businesses on Notice about Fake Reviews
by adolph on Thursday October 14, 2021 @12:23PM
(#28866369)
Password reset is almost as good as no passwords but with the added benefit of MFA.
Re:FTC Puts Hundreds of Businesses on Notice about Fake Reviews
by ashwagary on Thursday October 14, 2021 @04:06AM
(#28861650)
It can happen, I've seen many Lightning Network applications that do account creation/login and identity verification using LN wallets/nodes/etc.
I wouldn't consider those solutions passwords in the traditional sense.
Re:FTC Puts Hundreds of Businesses on Notice about Fake Reviews
by bo1024 on Thursday October 14, 2021 @08:38AM
(#28863437)
Public key authentication would be a great replacement for most passwords.
Re:FTC Puts Hundreds of Businesses on Notice about Fake Reviews
by jbverschoor on Thursday October 14, 2021 @04:18AM
(#28861723)
Email a login link or temp pw. Passwords gone.
Re:FTC Puts Hundreds of Businesses on Notice about Fake Reviews
by lukebennett on Thursday October 14, 2021 @07:16AM
(#28862817)
What if you are logging into something on a device that doesn't have your email on it? So called magic links are an absolute nightmare.
Re:FTC Puts Hundreds of Businesses on Notice about Fake Reviews
by thanhhaimai on Thursday October 14, 2021 @04:39AM
(#28861849)
Maybe I'm missing something. You're just replacing the "password" by asking the user to login their email. It doesn't move us any closer to a "no password" world, unless there is also a proposal on how to make email password-less?
Re:FTC Puts Hundreds of Businesses on Notice about Fake Reviews
by darkerside on Thursday October 14, 2021 @12:09PM
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Re:FTC Puts Hundreds of Businesses on Notice about Fake Reviews
by shoto_io on Thursday October 14, 2021 @04:38AM
(#28861846)
I share accounts (legally) with friends and my wife. How are we going to log in separately?
Re:FTC Puts Hundreds of Businesses on Notice about Fake Reviews
by jbverschoor on Thursday October 14, 2021 @06:22AM
(#28862420)
Forward the email ;-)
Or just add an extra email to the account
Re:FTC Puts Hundreds of Businesses on Notice about Fake Reviews
by shoto_io on Thursday October 14, 2021 @07:01AM
(#28862716)
Forwarding the email is not a good solution. I don’t want to be checking emails at all times just because someone wants to login somewhere.
Adding an extra email account is not always possible. The option is not provided.
Re:FTC Puts Hundreds of Businesses on Notice about Fake Reviews
by datavirtue on Thursday October 14, 2021 @08:32AM
(#28863379)
Ok...so on to more inconvenient methods? Medium tried it. A real drag.
Re:FTC Puts Hundreds of Businesses on Notice about Fake Reviews
by bananamerica on Thursday October 14, 2021 @05:56AM
(#28862237)
How do you login to your email?