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Re:Intellectuals urge Germany to keep nuclear plants online by ethbr0 on Wednesday October 13, 2021 @02:47PM (#28855837)
Being the front line of the Cold War, while both the US and USSR developed battle plans for where nuclear weapons would be detonated in your country during a war, probably lends shades to the debate that aren't present in other countries.

(Yes, nuclear power / nuclear weapons, but in the 70s that wasn't a clear distinction)

Re:Intellectuals urge Germany to keep nuclear plants online by mikeyouse on Wednesday October 13, 2021 @02:54PM (#28855928)
Plus parts of Germany were actually impacted by Chernobyl with measurable radiation in their food / water / livestock. Low levels to be sure, but in the context of the cold war I'm sure there's a long memory for a massive nuclear coverup by a antagonistic neighbor that pollutes your land.
Re:Intellectuals urge Germany to keep nuclear plants online by handrous on Wednesday October 13, 2021 @02:51PM (#28855890)
They were close enough (and downwind-enough) to experience direct effects from Chernobyl, no? Destroying contaminated produce, taking iodine pills as a precaution, that sort of thing, and, I'd guess, worries, for a time, about much worse consequences before the emergency was contained.
Re:Intellectuals urge Germany to keep nuclear plants online by Torwald on Wednesday October 13, 2021 @03:00PM (#28856002)
And lockdowns. First lockdowns in my life. We weren't even allowed to play in the garden.
Re:Intellectuals urge Germany to keep nuclear plants online by zsmi on Wednesday October 13, 2021 @02:56PM (#28855952)
https://www.bfs.de/EN/topics/ion/accident-management/emergen...

"To date, there is no evidence that the reactor accident has caused adverse health effects due to radiation in Germany."

Re:Intellectuals urge Germany to keep nuclear plants online by semi-extrinsic on Wednesday October 13, 2021 @03:15PM (#28856227)
A lot of the fallout on land in Western Europe was in Scandinavia and Austria due to the prevailing winds and the places where clouds happened to precipitate into rain.

In some regions they are still today monitoring the cesium content of grass and moss, and bringing sheep and reindeer in for the weeks before slaughter to be fed hay from other regions to ensure the meat is within acceptable dose limits.

Edit - link to map: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Timothy-Mousseau/public...

Re:Intellectuals urge Germany to keep nuclear plants online by cure on Wednesday October 13, 2021 @04:16PM (#28857115)
This. That map explains why so many people people are afraid of nuclear.

In 1986 one plant had a major accident, and look at all that contamination across western and northern Europe, thousands of kilometers away. Hundreds of millions of people were affected, and the consequences are still quite real, 35 years later.

Re:Intellectuals urge Germany to keep nuclear plants online by thow-01187 on Wednesday October 13, 2021 @04:32PM (#28857307)
Yet, Finland is ok with operating nuclear plants, and is building a new one (still). Sweden likewise. Belarus and Ukraine were the ground zero, and the most impacted regions, yet you don't see anywhere close to the militant anti-nuclear sentiment as in Germany
Re:Intellectuals urge Germany to keep nuclear plants online by Gwypaas on Wednesday October 13, 2021 @03:13PM (#28856190)
As a result of the Chernobyl reactor accident, certain species of mushrooms and wild game are still highly contaminated with caesium-137 in some areas of Germany.

https://www.bfs.de/EN/topics/ion/environment/foodstuffs/mush...

Re:Intellectuals urge Germany to keep nuclear plants online by nsonha on Wednesday October 13, 2021 @05:41PM (#28858040)
Imagine them end up exported
Re:Intellectuals urge Germany to keep nuclear plants online by deepsun on Wednesday October 13, 2021 @03:11PM (#28856162)
Well, I heard the same statement for Belarus, the most impacted country by Chernobyl (with still-in-effect Evacuation Zone). The key? How to calculate "health effects".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernobyl_Exclusion_Zone#/medi...

Re:Intellectuals urge Germany to keep nuclear plants online by JumpCrisscross on Wednesday October 13, 2021 @02:50PM (#28855871)
> both the US and USSR developed battle plans for where nuclear weapons would be detonated in your country during a war

Do we know if younger Germans are more open to nuclear power than Cold War era ones?

Re:Intellectuals urge Germany to keep nuclear plants online by junon on Wednesday October 13, 2021 @02:54PM (#28855932)
Anecdotally, no. Young Germans (at least, mid-late twenties into the thirties) tend to have the same sort of sentiments.
Re:Intellectuals urge Germany to keep nuclear plants online by simorley on Wednesday October 13, 2021 @03:13PM (#28856191)
Considering MAD existed and most nukes would have been dropped on the US and USSR, not Germany, I don't think that's the issue. We and the russians had far more to worry about than the germans. Of course MAD pretty much ensured a 0% chance of nuclear war so really nothing to worry about. Nations truly worried about nuclear weapons develop them, not fight against them. Think about it.

Considering that Germany is an american vassal with significant russian influence, it's more likely political factions tied to US and Russia. US doesn't want Germany to develop nuclear energy because nuclear energy research is the same thing as a nuclear weapons research. A nuclear armed germany is pretty much an independent germany which is something no empire desires. Empire and freedom/independence/sovereignty don't mix. And russians don't want germany to develop nuclear energy because they want to sell more oil/gas to germany and gain more influence over germany/europe.

Re:Intellectuals urge Germany to keep nuclear plants online by TMWNN on Wednesday October 13, 2021 @03:29PM (#28856413)
>Considering MAD existed and most nukes would have been dropped on the US and USSR, not Germany, I don't think that's the issue. We and the russians had far more to worry about than the germans.

Completely wrong. A NATO-Russia war could have been (and still could) be fought entirely in central Europe. This might include tactical nuclear weapons, delivered by short- and medium-range missiles and aircraft. This is why it was said that "In Germany, the towns are only two kilotons apart" (<https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1978/12/11/n...>).

To put another way, it's possible to realistically imagine a war in which Germany is hit with nuclear weapons but the US and Russia aren't. It's not realistic to imagine a war in which the US and Russia are hit with nukes but Germany isn't.

Re:Intellectuals urge Germany to keep nuclear plants online by ethbr0 on Wednesday October 13, 2021 @06:50PM (#28858556)
> might include tactical nuclear weapons, delivered by short- and medium-range missiles and aircraft

Also, people. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Light_Teams

Re:Intellectuals urge Germany to keep nuclear plants online by wins32767 on Wednesday October 13, 2021 @03:29PM (#28856423)
US/NATO doctrine was to use tactical nukes in the event of an invasion of West Germany. There were tactical nuclear mines, tactical nuclear bridge demolition charges, tactical nuclear artillery shells, etc. In the 50s the US reorganized around a Pentomic division [1], which was effectively highly mobile battlegroups too small to be worth nuking since the assumption was that any reasonable sized formation would get plastered.

[1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentomic

Re:Intellectuals urge Germany to keep nuclear plants online by thriftwy on Wednesday October 13, 2021 @03:44PM (#28856654)
Russia will gladly sell/build nuclear plants to Germany or any other country. I can imagine that it's politically infeasible. But the capacity is there.
Re:Intellectuals urge Germany to keep nuclear plants online by bernulli on Wednesday October 13, 2021 @04:27PM (#28857257)
Maybe you missed the part in Cold War doctrine where Germany is the battlefield intended to be used up to stop the invasion before the Rhine.