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Re:Texas governor bans all Covid-19 vaccine mandates, includ... by rytcio on Tuesday October 12, 2021 @12:52AM (#28836199)
Nothing will be enough to make people comfortable again. A year of shut down economy and non-stop 24/7 fear porn in MSM have traumatized people for at least a decade
Re:Texas governor bans all Covid-19 vaccine mandates, includ... by pupppet on Tuesday October 12, 2021 @01:14AM (#28836323)
How is it fear porn when literally hundreds of thousands of Americans have died from it.
Re:Texas governor bans all Covid-19 vaccine mandates, includ... by angelzen on Tuesday October 12, 2021 @01:34AM (#28836427)
Perhaps it's something related to aging. After a certain point in life you make peace with the idea that sooner or later everybody dies. To put covid in perspective, we can calculate the relative risk of covid death compared to risk of death from all other causes, by age group. The relative risk is under 15% for adults and under 3% for children. While this is nothing to sneeze at, it is not as apocalyptic as the click-hungry (social) media makes it to be. Yet another looming health risk, among high blood pressure, cholesterol, cancer, diabetes, Alzheimer, etc.

raw data: https://data.cdc.gov/resource/3apk-4u4f.csv

Re:Texas governor bans all Covid-19 vaccine mandates, includ... by pupppet on Tuesday October 12, 2021 @01:41AM (#28836452)
You could make peace with the possibility of dying of Covid, or you know, just get the vaccine.
Re:Texas governor bans all Covid-19 vaccine mandates, includ... by angelzen on Tuesday October 12, 2021 @01:44AM (#28836469)
I've got the vaccine, thanks for your interest in my personal health choices. I haven't seen evidence that it will hold up on a 5 year horizon, perhaps you have a time machine?
Re:Texas governor bans all Covid-19 vaccine mandates, includ... by pupppet on Tuesday October 12, 2021 @01:59AM (#28836542)
It's not your personal health choice when those refusing the vaccine are filling hospitals and pushing others out. And sorry no time machine, but I choose to trust doctors anyway.
Re:Texas governor bans all Covid-19 vaccine mandates, includ... by angelzen on Tuesday October 12, 2021 @02:02AM (#28836568)
Doctors don't have a time machine either. We are all engaging in the age old process that goes under the name of "faith". And there is nothing wrong with it!
Re:Texas governor bans all Covid-19 vaccine mandates, includ... by pupppet on Tuesday October 12, 2021 @09:24AM (#28839338)
Aaand voted down to oblivion. Pretty embarrassing the anti-vax crowd is so prominent on HN.
Re:Texas governor bans all Covid-19 vaccine mandates, includ... by dukeofdoom on Tuesday October 12, 2021 @01:50AM (#28836512)
What is the definition or relative risk?

15% of people that contract covid will die from it? Where are you getting this from.

Re:Texas governor bans all Covid-19 vaccine mandates, includ... by angelzen on Tuesday October 12, 2021 @02:00AM (#28836559)
https://data.cdc.gov/resource/3apk-4u4f.csv

https://usafacts.org/articles/americans-causes-of-death-by-a...

I am not comparing covid deaths with the entire population, only with the number of people that die from some cause. In a given year, most people do not die, other than for really old age groups.

For example, 13463 50yo females died from some cause since Jan 2020. Out of those deaths, 1605 were deaths with covid, for a 11.9% fraction. For comparison, cancer is 22% of deaths in 45-55 age group and heart disease 19.5%, making covid third cause of death for this age group, with accidents the fourth at 8.3%

    data_as_of  start_date  end_date    sex     age_years  total_deaths  covid19_deaths 
    2021-10-06  2020-01-01  2021-10-02  Female  50 Years   13463         1605
Re:Texas governor bans all Covid-19 vaccine mandates, includ... by dukeofdoom on Tuesday October 12, 2021 @02:11AM (#28836602)
That's a misleading way of looking at it. Do you realize by curing heart disease, you'll increase the number of people that die from cancer?

Depending on the age of the patient, its very likely that covid may have been the final nail on the coffin, but by no means the only nail in the grim reapers hand.

The average life expectancy is 78 in the US. What is the average age of someone that dies of covid? Last time I checked this, it was 84.

United States - Historical Death Rate Data

Year Death Rate Growth Rate

2021 8.977 1.090%

2020 8.880 1.120%

2019 8.782 1.120%

2018 8.685 1.220%

2017 8.580 1.240%

Source https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/USA/united-states/deat...

Re:Texas governor bans all Covid-19 vaccine mandates, includ... by angelzen on Tuesday October 12, 2021 @02:33AM (#28836725)
The intent is to place an upper bound on covid relative risk: <15% of all deaths in every age group. Young adults have lower relative risk, children much lower. For me even 15%, while undesirable, is low enough relative risk to characterize media behavior as 'fear porn'.

How to explain this better? Entering 2020, there were 100 reasons for me to die. Then covid comes along and now there are 115. Not the best news ever, but I'd rather keep living life, especially after vaccines have become widely available.

As you correctly observe, the actual risk may be even lower, because the back-of-the-napkin upper bound estimation does not take in account the risk factors within an age group.

Re:Texas governor bans all Covid-19 vaccine mandates, includ... by qwerty456127 on Wednesday October 13, 2021 @04:26AM (#28849665)
Because no matter how many die, we should not fear, only reason. Fear is the mind killer. Fear leads to the dark side of the force.