Is going to the office a broken way of working?

Re:Is going to the office a broken way of working? by kaczordon on Monday October 11, 2021 @05:51PM (#28833511)

Meanwhile Belgium had around 20% excess deaths and much much stricter lockdowns. Most of Sweden’s excess deaths occurred in nursing homes, which weren’t protected enough; it had nothing to do with regular people eating at restaurants and everything to do with the protocol at those specific places. It’s quite obvious that lockdowns have dubious effects(if any) while the harms and detriment to society never seem to be measured or are dismissed flippantly as people just wanting to eat out.

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Re:Is going to the office a broken way of working? by smt88 on Monday October 11, 2021 @06:21PM (#28833752)

If your theory about the deaths being in nursing homes were true, we wouldn't have seen excess deaths in 2020 in age groups under 75.

That was not the case[1]. Even 50-year-olds in Sweden had a spike of deaths in 2020.

Norwegians were locked down and seem to be fine. They're not dead, at least.

1. https://academic.oup.com/eurpub/article/31/1/17/5968985

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Re:Is going to the office a broken way of working? by kaczordon on Monday October 11, 2021 @06:47PM (#28833972)

It's not a theory, 50% of all COVID deaths were in nursing homes:

https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-sweden-co...

Also the paper you linked agrees with me, The highest age groups, i.e. ages 80 and above, were most strongly affected by the pandemic.

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Re:Is going to the office a broken way of working? by magicalist on Monday October 11, 2021 @07:21PM (#28834208)

I think the "theory" being referred to is

> it had nothing to do with regular people eating at restaurants and everything to do with the protocol at those specific places

Also if we're going to be pedantic, we should be consistently pedantic:

> 50% of all COVID deaths were in nursing homes

that article actually says under 50% and it's from December 2020.

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Re:Is going to the office a broken way of working? by kaczordon on Monday October 11, 2021 @07:53PM (#28834420)

Nothing in this comment contradicts what I've said, majority of deaths were at nursing homes and better protocols would've helped them.

Still haven't addressed my point about Belgium having more restrictive lockdowns and a higher excess mortality. I guess being pedantic is easier.

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Re:Is going to the office a broken way of working? by dvsfish on Monday October 11, 2021 @11:04PM (#28835626)

You can't both be pedantic and then attack the other person for being pedantic and expect to get anywhere. Also "Just under half" is not a majority, which is actually an important distinction considering the angle your argument takes (that is - downplaying the impact on other demographics).

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Re:Is going to the office a broken way of working? by mckirk on Tuesday October 12, 2021 @02:30AM (#28836714)

If you consider Sweden's sparse population density (except for a few hotspots like Stockholm) and their 'natural tendency' towards social distancing, it's really quite telling that they've managed such a rate of excess deaths. The freedom might have been worth it in some regards, but it certainly came at a price.

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