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Re:Is going to the office a broken way of working? by jedberg on Monday October 11, 2021 @03:58PM (#28832346)
My friend runs a company that is remote first in the way described here. They have employees all over the world, but they all get together at some random place on the planet (pre-covid) about once every two months.

The employees love it because of all the free trips around the world (and often tie their vacation to the beginning or end of a meeting so they can explore that place on their own) and it's great for the company because they can hire talent all over the world.

It also makes their in person time far more productive because everyone puts effort into planning that time for effectiveness and everyone knows that they only have limited time together and have to make the most of it.

Re:Is going to the office a broken way of working? by fullshark on Monday October 11, 2021 @04:47PM (#28832866)
Being forced to travel somewhere random on the planet every two months for work and live out of a hotel room sounds terrible frankly. The company would have to spend lavishly and find exotic / fun locations I think otherwise I'd resent it and quit.

Ultimately the ideal is not a one size fits all solution but different companies developing different cultures remote/hybrid/in person strategies and employees having options. Seems like the big tech companies are all just kind of copying each other and no one is trying to really differentiate themselves here.

Re:Is going to the office a broken way of working? by screye on Monday October 11, 2021 @06:03PM (#28833609)
> Being forced to travel somewhere random on the planet every two months for work and live out of a hotel room sounds terrible frankly. The company would have to spend lavishly and find exotic / fun locations I think otherwise I'd resent it and quit.

There is always someone huh. Such an arrangement literally sounds like the dream remote arrangement to me. It never even crossed my mind that there would be people who would say no to a fully paid pseudo-vacation every couple of months.

I am completely unable to empathize.

Re:Is going to the office a broken way of working? by ZFtdGGXwyWIpKKv on Monday October 11, 2021 @06:10PM (#28833671)
You're completely unable to empathize with those of us who have families and other commitments outside of work. Being forced to travel for work to some faraway "exotic" destination is literally the worst thing ever for someone who has kids or an ailing relative or even a garden to tend to. Mandatory offsites are extremely painful for those who have strong ties to home.

At my company offsites aren't mandatory: those who want to go, can go; but those who for some reason don't want to or can't are not looked down upon as "non-team players" or "antisocial". People are all different, and it's about time you recognized that.

Re:Is going to the office a broken way of working? by alchemism on Monday October 11, 2021 @06:52PM (#28834019)
People with responsibilities in a fixed location probably should not take traveling salesperson positions, generally speaking.
Re:Is going to the office a broken way of working? by kwakja on Monday October 11, 2021 @07:51PM (#28834402)
Completely agree, but this seems to be a common theme in the whole comment section - everyone is painting everything in black and white with personal preferences despite acknowledging that personal differences exist.

If one can't empathize, I'd hope one would at least be able to sympathize with another's objectively different situation.

Re:Is going to the office a broken way of working? by ZFtdGGXwyWIpKKv on Monday October 11, 2021 @08:24PM (#28834615)
Plenty of software engineers are being made to go on mandatory "retreats" regardless of whether they like it or not.
Re:Is going to the office a broken way of working? by zz865 on Monday October 11, 2021 @06:14PM (#28833701)
> I am completely unable to empathize.

If you're travelling away who will look after you kids? Pets? Parents? Believe it or not most people have responsibilities.

Re:Is going to the office a broken way of working? by maximus-decimus on Tuesday October 12, 2021 @01:10AM (#28836310)
You are unable to empathize with not wanting to be forced to leave the comfort of your home/country and suffer jet lag to attend some stupid arbitrary meeting in a place you didn't even choose? And that's without even talking about how hard it already is to get into good habits like going to the gym, or attending your sport practice. Interrupting your routine every 8 weeks seems like a great way to fail at keeping a routine.
Re:Is going to the office a broken way of working? by mdekkers on Tuesday October 12, 2021 @12:06AM (#28835933)
> The company would have to spend lavishly and find exotic / fun locations.

Which they can afford because they are not spending on office space.

Re:Is going to the office a broken way of working? by mrtranscendence on Monday October 11, 2021 @04:15PM (#28832527)
Interesting idea. Every two months seems like it could be prohibitively expensive, though, depending on the org. My company has a yearly event that's mandatory for every employee throughout the country, and a common complaint is just how much it costs to put on. Granted, you could make it cheaper by getting rid of the c-list celebrity MC and free drinks, but renting a space for 1500 people, paying for travel, getting hotel rooms, etc, is all costly.

It's been all virtual for the past two years, and I genuinely wonder how much they've saved that way. It's also much more bearable for this introvert ... I despise that stupid event and resent having to attend. :P

Re:Is going to the office a broken way of working? by fernandotakai on Monday October 11, 2021 @04:20PM (#28832583)
i worked at company that is remote first and they did a company retreat every year (as well as team-focused retreats, like engineering, support, C-level).

it was a blast -- you got a week of "free" travel w/ your SO (because it was just once a year, they paid for your SO to come with you).

i loved it, because it was a time to get together, have some drinks, chitchat and do some super productive work.

Re:Is going to the office a broken way of working? by mrtranscendence on Monday October 11, 2021 @04:25PM (#28832646)
If it was a week long, in a desirable location, and I could take my fiancee, I'd be all for it. But it's 1.5 days, no SOs, and held in a casino in the ass end of bumfuck Indiana. And forget about working -- it's centered around a team-building exercise with people from other parts of the company you probably don't know and will never talk to again.
Re:Is going to the office a broken way of working? by dvtrn on Monday October 11, 2021 @05:03PM (#28833055)
I understand the “why” of team building, but the “what” or “how” the team-building is done often handled in such a hackneyed top-down way that I often wonder “if you just brought the team together, gave them options on ways to spend their time together, would they otherwise choose to do the same activities the managers designed for the event”?

That’s more rhetorical than anything and is a roundabout way of saying: most organized team building events are just…boring.

It’s also just a preference though: getting together and just hanging out without the pressure to talk shop or participate in some kind of coordinated, planned and overly-orchestrated activity is just as engaging for me as “escape rooms” or “games” or other “activities”.

Re:Is going to the office a broken way of working? by mrtranscendence on Tuesday October 12, 2021 @11:46AM (#28841176)
Yeah, some alternative scenario where we're given time to get to know folks at our own pace would be nicer. Like, here's some drinks, here are some board games, mingle, maybe talk about work, maybe not, make some connections. Instead we're under pressure to do some silly game that has only the faintest connection to anything the company does or stands for.

Maybe I'm just too bitter. Maybe if I stayed for the afterparty I'd get the kind of interaction I want. But late night carousing isn't my kind of thing generally.

Re:Is going to the office a broken way of working? by andrewnicolalde on Monday October 11, 2021 @04:59PM (#28833005)
These sound like two different sorts of trips, and two very different sorts of companies.
Re:Is going to the office a broken way of working? by iKidA on Monday October 11, 2021 @06:16PM (#28833721)
lol was the company 84.51/dunnhumby
Re:Is going to the office a broken way of working? by mrtranscendence on Tuesday October 12, 2021 @10:07AM (#28839827)
I will neither confirm nor deny that speculation. ;)
Re:Is going to the office a broken way of working? by jedberg on Monday October 11, 2021 @04:41PM (#28832800)
The cost of the travel is no more than the cost of an office, which they don't have. They basically shift the office budget to the travel budget.
Re:Is going to the office a broken way of working? by throwaway889900 on Monday October 11, 2021 @04:27PM (#28832668)
I imagine OP is talking about a significantly smaller company than 1500 people.
Re:Is going to the office a broken way of working? by r00fus on Monday October 11, 2021 @05:24PM (#28833276)
Do any of them have kids?

Me doing this (after years of 25%+ travel in a different role) would result in a divorce quite quick.