> I wouldn't even consider working for a company that didn't offer that as an unquestionable human right,

I don't think things you prefer automatically get elevated to 'unquestionable human rights'.

Then you must think of it as a privilege. And I shall not work for you.

I understand and that's fine. I don't actually care about where you work in this context.

Human Rights are special things. They aren't preferences. The more you conflate the two, the more you erode your position and the term 'human right' in general. I would urge you to stop doing that.

>> Human Rights are special things

Very true and my point would have been made without me presenting it as such. My apologies.

Well, at least the right to life is a human right. It turned out that having to work in a crowded space with many others can be a real threat for your life.

Man as much as I hate the whole "snowflake" thing...comments like yours really are pushing it lol.

I won't hire you either.

The old "you can't fire me because I quit" inverted. That's fine.

I thoroughly enjoyed this whole sub thread.

Didn’t you do it first?

Sure, if that makes you feel good about yourself.

This is the most privileged, special snowflake and tech bubble thing I've ever read on this site.

It's not limited to HN. Even in a local dev Slack community, I often see people expecting companies to flagellate themselves just for a chance to hire the unique, special talent that they believe and need constant reassurance that they are. As far as I can tell, it's unique to tech because that kind of talent is in demand, but the toxic behavior it brings out in some people is really something to behold.

I prefer to know my value and vote with my feet. No pontificating required.

Unquestionable human right?? Christ we are spoiled in tech.

Would love to know if they believe that 'unquestionable human right' extends to all the service workers that tend to their daily life by making and delivering their food, transporting them to/from entertainment, packing and delivering their toys/consumer goods, etc. too.

>> 'unquestionable human right' extends to all the service workers

The notion of service workers working remote is a silly one. I regret calling it a 'unquestionable human right'.

not spoilt, rather, forgetful

It is not I who is spoiled. It is old school boomer management who have become spoiled and exploitative.

We are very fortunate to be paid as much as we are for sitting at home and working on a computer. Compared to 99% of other adults around the world, we are spoiled.

I don't fully agree. Instead, what I think, is that the stock holders of the company I work for are very fortunate that I work for them.

Are we better off compared to service workers? Oh yeah, definitely.

>I don't fully agree. Instead, what I think, is that the stock holders of the company I work for are very fortunate that I work for them.

This is true and often lost on a lot of people. It's easy to blur the big picture when so many people slave away for scraps. If you weren't worth a significant portion more of what you are paid, you wouldn't be employed.

>We are very fortunate to be paid as much as we are for sitting at home and working on a computer.

We are fortunate enough to be born with the brain capacity to be rarely apt at such an in-demand and highly valuable skill. Of course developing the skill itself was hard work, not luck. We automate at pennies on the dollar. If we were paid 5x more than "market rates," our employers would merely double their investment rather than 10x. Double is an impressive return on any investment.

Your phrasing makes it sound like people should be grateful that their generous employers pay them so much. Employers don't do that because they're nice, they do it because tech workers generate enough value to justify paying large sums. Not paying them accordingly will result in them getting poached by another company.

a large chunk of the workforce, from accountants to stock brokers to HR, work on a computer. It's not a privilege to have no fresh air and to spend 70% of your life in front of a screen on a chair.

haha yes it is. The vast majority of people don't have that opportunity.

I guess we can dispense with the usual idea that workers have no choice but submit to anything a company wants.