"an old Iberian legend, set during the Muslim conquest of Hispania c. 714. Seeking to flee from the Muslim conquerors, seven Christian Visigothic bishops embarked with their flocks on ships and set sail westwards into the Atlantic Ocean, eventually landing on an island (Antilha) where they founded seven settlements."
Re:Evidence of people on the Azores archipelago 700 years ea...
by hanslub42 on Wednesday October 13, 2021 @05:24AM
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Possibly, but this would not answer the question of the origin of northern (mitochondrial) DNA in the local mice populations. (see https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25394749/)
Re:Evidence of people on the Azores archipelago 700 years ea...
by napier on Wednesday October 13, 2021 @08:16AM
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Only tangentially connected to the article; but contemporary Azoreans believe the archipelago comprises the last remnants of Atlantis and if you ever take an opportunity to visit, you might see why.
Re:Evidence of people on the Azores archipelago 700 years ea...
by throw_smig on Wednesday October 13, 2021 @09:57AM
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> Only tangentially connected to the article; but contemporary Azoreans believe the archipelago comprises the last remnants of Atlantis and if you ever take an opportunity to visit, you might see why.
Azorean here (smiguel, Melo&Abreu, Santo Cristo, etc) and I have to call bullshit on this. We believe in Atlantis inasmuch as we believe that the Sete Cidades lagoon sprouted from the tears of a princess.
Re:Evidence of people on the Azores archipelago 700 years ea...
by nuerow on Wednesday October 13, 2021 @02:42AM
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The conclusions presented in the article seem a bit far-fetched. The article only mentions "upticks in charcoal particles (suggesting large fires had been burning)" and a presence of a "compound is typically found in the feces of livestock, such as cows and sheep".
Given that large fires do occur naturally and don't require human intervention, it sounds quite a leap to jump from that onto "humans did it".
Re:Evidence of people on the Azores archipelago 700 years ea...
by ggm on Wednesday October 13, 2021 @03:52AM
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I thought this too. But reading your criticism, I felt "yea, but this is a news-take on a peer review paper: They will have had to address this to get above the threshold for publication"
eg correlates to other events, evidence of known occupied areas and confounding wildfire signals.
Its like treerings. They're going to work with sediment levels which include strong signals of widespread events, and volcanic events nearby, and discount them scientifically
Re:Evidence of people on the Azores archipelago 700 years ea...
by PedroBatista on Wednesday October 13, 2021 @07:26AM
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I don't know if it's in the article but I remember the authors saying something about being able distinguish between livestock and human feces given the compounds.
Re:Evidence of people on the Azores archipelago 700 years ea...
by 8bitsrule on Wednesday October 13, 2021 @03:35AM
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Looked over their evidence details [https://www.pnas.org/content/pnas/suppl/2021/09/30/210823611...]. Looks somewhat circumstancial. Hopefully it's enough to stimulate further search for something more substantial. Going by our national parks, if people stayed for a while, it's there.
Re:Evidence of people on the Azores archipelago 700 years ea...
by ZanyProgrammer on Wednesday October 13, 2021 @07:17AM
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Not every expedition has to match up with something historical/apocryphal. The hypothetical people who reached the Azores several hundreds of years earlier could very well just be the equivalent of historical randos.
"an old Iberian legend, set during the Muslim conquest of Hispania c. 714. Seeking to flee from the Muslim conquerors, seven Christian Visigothic bishops embarked with their flocks on ships and set sail westwards into the Atlantic Ocean, eventually landing on an island (Antilha) where they founded seven settlements."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galgano_Guidotti
Azorean here (smiguel, Melo&Abreu, Santo Cristo, etc) and I have to call bullshit on this. We believe in Atlantis inasmuch as we believe that the Sete Cidades lagoon sprouted from the tears of a princess.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lagoa_das_Sete_Cidades
Given that large fires do occur naturally and don't require human intervention, it sounds quite a leap to jump from that onto "humans did it".
eg correlates to other events, evidence of known occupied areas and confounding wildfire signals.
Its like treerings. They're going to work with sediment levels which include strong signals of widespread events, and volcanic events nearby, and discount them scientifically