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Re:The Shadow Penal System for Struggling Kids by SQueeeeeL on Monday October 11, 2021 @11:08AM (#28829178)
"Deanna Doucette was the first pregnant girl to attend the home after Teen Challenge took over. She arrived in 2001, when she was fourteen. A few weeks from her due date, she snuck out of a window and ran away to a gas station, where she called her boyfriend, the father of her child. But before help arrived the police showed up and returned her to Teen Challenge. In the car, she told the officers, “Don’t take me back—they’re forcing me to give away my baby.” Five months were added to her program at Teen Challenge, for running away."

Damn, this is some demonic shit. I love all the political connections they talked about in the article which keep this legal

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Re:The Shadow Penal System for Struggling Kids by suifbwish on Monday October 11, 2021 @11:22AM (#28829356)
Why is it that everyone seems to be okay with someone having no human rights until they are 18? In the USA people under 18 are viewed as property. What they need is for an entire fraternity of law students to show up and demand to tour their facility.
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Re:The Shadow Penal System for Struggling Kids by JumpCrisscross on Monday October 11, 2021 @11:41AM (#28829580)
> Why is it that everyone seems to be okay with someone having no human rights until they are 18? In the USA people under 18 are viewed as property.

For starters, because these statements are not true [1].

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_young_people%27s_r...

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Re:The Shadow Penal System for Struggling Kids by cycomanic on Monday October 11, 2021 @12:03PM (#28829816)
While you are correct it is not everyone, as an outsider it is still striking how different kids rights are viewed in the states compared to Europe/Oceania. The OP is correct that you hear the "it's my child I have ultimate control over it" is much more expressed by US Americans than pretty much anywhere else. So much so that when there is discussions of restrictions this is considered to impede on the fundamental freedoms of the parents (yes the irony).
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Re:The Shadow Penal System for Struggling Kids by drfxyjhdyfrhgc on Monday October 11, 2021 @12:36PM (#28830167)
>...you hear the "it's my child I have ultimate control over it" is much more expressed by US Americans than pretty much anywhere else...

Probably true, but technically because the sentiment is expressed in English. Non-western cultures often take some things a few steps further.

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Re:The Shadow Penal System for Struggling Kids by bserge on Monday October 11, 2021 @12:40PM (#28830208)
Yet many European countries have no concept of emancipation.
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Re:The Shadow Penal System for Struggling Kids by pjc50 on Monday October 11, 2021 @12:12PM (#28829901)
Where does "not ratifying the UN convention on rights of the child" fit in that timeline?
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Re:The Shadow Penal System for Struggling Kids by pjc50 on Monday October 11, 2021 @12:17PM (#28829956)
Similar to the Irish "magdalene laundries" of the 20th century. Or the Canadian "residential schools". Both of which have their mass graves of babies.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/mar/03/mass-grave-of-...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-57592243

Perhaps someone should go round the American institutions with ground-penetrating radar and a shovel.

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Re:The Shadow Penal System for Struggling Kids by jonny_eh on Monday October 11, 2021 @01:09PM (#28830529)
> Perhaps someone should go round the American institutions with ground-penetrating radar and a shovel.

No matter how bad the scandal is in Canada, I'm positive that the crimes in the US are magnitudes worse.

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Re:The Shadow Penal System for Struggling Kids by Avshalom on Monday October 11, 2021 @06:30PM (#28833819)
It's been proposed, we'll see how far it gets

https://www.krqe.com/news/politics-government/haaland-leads-...

on a local note: https://sourcenm.com/2021/09/03/indigenous-leaders-seek-an-a...

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Re:The Shadow Penal System for Struggling Kids by floor2 on Monday October 11, 2021 @02:16PM (#28831202)
From the HN guidelines: "Eschew flamebait. Avoid unrelated controversies and generic tangents." and "Please don't use Hacker News for political or ideological battle"

You seem to be commenting a lot of unrelated, tangential things to create a narrative aligned to your political beliefs. Something to consider.

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Re:The Shadow Penal System for Struggling Kids by FireBeyond on Monday October 11, 2021 @02:22PM (#28831258)
They mentioned the abuses and crimes of religious charitable organizations in Canada. And the abuses and crimes of religious charitable organizations in the UK...

... in a discussion about the abuses and crimes of religious charitable organizations in the US.

I think they're entirely related. They may not be the same organization, but there's systemic patterns evident in such things, and I think your conclusion is, at the least, a little grasping.

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