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Re:The American Bumblebee Has Vanished from Eight States by bmitc on Saturday October 09, 2021 @06:56PM (#28814094)
Do you have any references for these statements? I have never even heard that things were apparently so dire in the 60s.

Does your sentiment that we apparently couldn’t feed ourselves take into account population growth? What if the population had simply not grown as it did?

My current understanding is that the U.S. overproduces what it needs, exports the excess at dirt cheap prices, killing off developing countries’ farmer livelihoods. So in the U.S., there’s multiple birds killed with one stone.

Re:The American Bumblebee Has Vanished from Eight States by quotemstr on Sunday October 10, 2021 @02:11AM (#28816177)
> Do you have any references for these statements?

https://gerrymarten.com/human-ecology/chapter03.html

The green revolution was a big increase in the carrying capacity of the Earth.

> Does your sentiment that we apparently couldn’t feed ourselves take into account population growth? What if the population had simply not grown as it did?

Of course it does. Listen to yourself here. You're saying that it'd have been better for billions of people to simply not have lived at all and for growth to be capped for all time. Would you go back in time, prevent the green revolution, and erase all those billions of people from history?

Christ, I think you would.

Limiting growth means billions, if not trillions, of people will simply never exist at all. All those moments of hope and joy and rest and relief: never existed, all on your say-so. We have a word for that: genocide.

We don't need to limit humanity's growth. We need to go to the stars.