Finland joins Sweden and Denmark in limiting Moderna Covid-19 vaccine

Re:Finland joins Sweden and Denmark in limiting Moderna Covi... by labawi on Friday October 08, 2021 @08:13PM (#28805708)

Before claiming other people don't know what they're talking about, it would be polite sufficiently understand it and refrain from making false claims yourself.

> When a vaccinated cell dies, the debris will contain many spike proteins and protein fragments, which can then be taken up by a type of immune cell called an antigen-presenting cell. [1]

Is it true that host cells need to die for the vaccine to take effect?

I'm not entirely sure and couldn't find good sources to verify or disprove OPs claim, but I recall some claims that the vaccine kills cells.

> it will lead to the cells death because it produces the foreign protein as instructed until it is killed by your immune system.

Different sites have different descriptions, but even [2] mentions:

> The priming of CD8 T cells can induce the formation of cytotoxic T lymphocytes (5b) which are capable of directly killing infected cells.

Which likely means killing cells presenting the vaccine spikes? Most sites mention some form of cytotoxic action or reponse, which I do not understand, but I take it to mean that some cells are killed.

[1] https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/health-family/expl...

[2] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7918810/

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Re:Finland joins Sweden and Denmark in limiting Moderna Covi... by daveguy on Friday October 08, 2021 @11:32PM (#28806802)

The Irish Times is not a primary source. Try again.

> ... but I recall some claims that the vaccine kills cells.

You are spreading your own ignorance.

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Re:Finland joins Sweden and Denmark in limiting Moderna Covi... by labawi on Saturday October 09, 2021 @08:31AM (#28809290)

Have I claimed it is a primary source? I have listed a source, as my time is limited. If you disagree feel free to list a better one. You have listed exactly 0 sources for your claims. By logic, you are the one spreading your own ignorance.

I would especially be interested in a source claiming APCs transcribe RNA to present antigens; that antigens enter the cells; and that they (rather than you) are full of it.

Note, I think both you and OP presented false claims and misconception. OP probably more, but it is you that will help spread and affirm more anti-vaxers with the - you're wrong, here's what I think, now shut up and take the jab - attitude towards their concerns.

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