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Re:Firefox: Dark pattern consent dialog invites users to sha... by jjcon on Friday October 08, 2021 @06:20PM (#28804798)
I know some get annoyed with this answer but if you look into what the Brave team is doing they have a lot of really interesting projects in the works. I've had a great experience with Brave.
Re:Firefox: Dark pattern consent dialog invites users to sha... by throwaway661885 on Friday October 08, 2021 @06:26PM (#28804844)
Please no

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28746873

Edit - Also 'Ublock Origin' works best with Firefox

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26755252

Re:Firefox: Dark pattern consent dialog invites users to sha... by WithinReason on Saturday October 09, 2021 @04:44AM (#28808106)
I couldn't find anything of substance here, just FUD
Re:Firefox: Dark pattern consent dialog invites users to sha... by xx511134bz on Friday October 08, 2021 @06:56PM (#28805059)
They also have a search engine that's good enough most of the time.
Re:Firefox: Dark pattern consent dialog invites users to sha... by BiteCode_dev on Friday October 08, 2021 @06:26PM (#28804846)
Brave being webkit, it's not an alternative.
Re:Firefox: Dark pattern consent dialog invites users to sha... by jjcon on Friday October 08, 2021 @06:56PM (#28805060)
>Brave being webkit, it's not an alternative.

Brave is Blink not webkit - Blink has been developed by Google, Facebook, Microsoft, Intel and many others. It is the standard for web rendering just as linux is for web hosting. There is nothing wrong with open standards.

Re:Firefox: Dark pattern consent dialog invites users to sha... by BiteCode_dev on Friday October 08, 2021 @07:19PM (#28805265)
The fact you state blink is a standard is everything that is wrong with browser monoculture.

It's like we didn't learn anything from IE6.

Also blink is just a fork of webkit.

Re:Firefox: Dark pattern consent dialog invites users to sha... by jjcon on Friday October 08, 2021 @07:35PM (#28805431)
>everything that is wrong with browser monoculture

What exactly is wrong with open standards? Would you say linux creates a hosting monoculture? That's just ridiculous. Blink has been contributed to by just about every major tech company, that isn't a monoculture thats how open standards work.

Re:Firefox: Dark pattern consent dialog invites users to sha... by SahAssar on Friday October 08, 2021 @08:25PM (#28805802)
Blink isn't a standard, it's an implementation of multiple standards.

An implementation cannot be a standard since a standard describes what a implementation needs to do while a implementation will need to both decide what parts of standards to implement and how to implement them and will do many things that are not described in standards. There are many behaviors, bugs and implementation details of Blink that should not and cannot be part of a standard.

As soon as a implementation becomes a standard we get ossification and implementation bugs in the standard as the only way to conform to the standard is the exact original implementation.

Besides all that while Blink has contributors from many individuals and companies it is clear that google steers the ship.

The web standards were built on the idea that multiple independent implementations were crucial, and it is a required step for a proposal to become a standard.

Linux isn't a standard either, the standard in that case would be POSIX and linux is "Mostly POSIX-compliant".

Re:Firefox: Dark pattern consent dialog invites users to sha... by yjftsjthsd-h on Friday October 08, 2021 @08:52PM (#28805981)
> What exactly is wrong with open standards?

Nothing, but Blink isn't one.

> Would you say linux creates a hosting monoculture?

Yes, obviously. The GNU/Linux hegemony is a pet peeve of mine, especially because it breeds this absurd "well the most common implementation does X, so screw everyone else" mindset that needlessly hinders alternatives.

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Re:Firefox: Dark pattern consent dialog invites users to sha... by yjftsjthsd-h on Friday October 08, 2021 @08:49PM (#28805959)
There's no call for ad hominems.
Re:Firefox: Dark pattern consent dialog invites users to sha... by throwaway661885 on Friday October 08, 2021 @07:04PM (#28805115)
It's not as open as one would think. The corporations have too much control over it that if someone forks it, they will be left behind. Check how syncing was disabled in chromium recently.
Re:Firefox: Dark pattern consent dialog invites users to sha... by jjcon on Friday October 08, 2021 @07:10PM (#28805173)
>if someone forks it, they will be left behind

Is gecko any different in this regard? That is how forking works.

>The corporations have too much control over it

Blink seems better in this regard, it has received major contributions from just about every major tech company out there diversifying its control. Gecko has been primarily just mozilla (especially these days since it only represents about 3% of the market).

Re:Firefox: Dark pattern consent dialog invites users to sha... by BiteCode_dev on Friday October 08, 2021 @07:37PM (#28805443)
So the worst and most powerful IT corporations in the world spreading their vision as a world standard VS a non profit offering ecosystem diversity ?

I guess I lost my touch, I've been feeding the troll.

Re:Firefox: Dark pattern consent dialog invites users to sha... by jjcon on Friday October 08, 2021 @07:47PM (#28805528)
>a non profit offering ecosystem diversity

You mean mozilia where over 70% of their revenue is from google?

https://www.ghacks.net/2020/12/10/mozillas-revenue-jumped-to...

Re:Firefox: Dark pattern consent dialog invites users to sha... by throwaway2048 on Friday October 08, 2021 @07:04PM (#28805114)
Blink is in no way an "open standard"