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Re:136 Countries agree to minimum corporate tax rate by I_am_tiberius on Friday October 08, 2021 @04:01PM (#28803541)
Corporate tax in general is the wrong type of taxation.

Corporate tax can be controlled by the company itself. If you run your business economically, you pay more corporate tax. This is just wrong.

Re:136 Countries agree to minimum corporate tax rate by tertius on Friday October 08, 2021 @04:40PM (#28803925)
Yes, but increased profits (by running profitably) also increases returns for the shareholders... A good thing.
Re:136 Countries agree to minimum corporate tax rate by dantheman on Friday October 08, 2021 @04:54PM (#28804073)
But you don't increase profits, what you do is spend that money recklessly on R&D that has a lower ROI than if that money was spent outside the company. However, once taxes are factored in the ROI is better than paying taxes due to an increase in the share price.

So what you incentivize is the misallocation of funds from their most beneficial use outside the organization to something in the organization.

Re:136 Countries agree to minimum corporate tax rate by tertius on Monday October 11, 2021 @05:22PM (#28833254)
Profits, if not able to be reallocated for more profit should be return to shareholders.

Taxes should be taken into account in calculating where the best ROI would be here. Obviously it changes when you would return profit to shareholders.

Re:136 Countries agree to minimum corporate tax rate by I_am_tiberius on Friday October 08, 2021 @05:15PM (#28804291)
My point is that it's a bad tax because it can be controlled and at the same time corporate tax controls the business decisions. This should not be the case in my opinion. Think about it. I think it would be better to focus on sales tax. Also, it would make tax rules much easier to understand.
Re:136 Countries agree to minimum corporate tax rate by brodouevencode on Friday October 08, 2021 @04:17PM (#28803697)
You, the consumer, pay the corporate tax.
Re:136 Countries agree to minimum corporate tax rate by throwaway34241 on Friday October 08, 2021 @04:33PM (#28803863)
When people talk about the "corporate tax", they're talking about the tax on corporate profits, which belong to the shareholders. You could theoretically tax the shareholders directly instead when they receive those profits as dividends etc (and there might be some advantage to doing so - it's more clear which country taxes should be paid in, and you can have a lower dividend tax rate for people with low incomes).

There's no reason for a company to raise consumer prices in response to a change in the corporate tax rate - if a company can make more profits just by raising prices, they should do so anyway regardless of what the tax rate is.

Re:136 Countries agree to minimum corporate tax rate by negativez on Friday October 08, 2021 @06:23PM (#28804825)
That's true - but taxes *always* disincentivize the thing being taxed. If investment in a company is less profitable under taxation than it otherwise would be, there will be less investment in that company, no exceptions. Now the size of that effect is quite likely to be negligible for the companies in question here. But it's at least theoretically possible that taxing corporate profits could lead to a change in the marketplace, including market dropout, that might actually lead to consumers paying higher prices to the remaining members of a market with reduced competition.

Further, if all companies in an already low-competition marketplace are equally affected by the tax, then it's quite possible for all of them to ~simultaneously raise prices to offset the tax, with or without explicitly illegal coordination, knowing that the others will follow suit.

Re:136 Countries agree to minimum corporate tax rate by throwaway34241 on Friday October 08, 2021 @07:47PM (#28805530)
Sure, there are definitely second and third order effects. Taxing shareholders may reduce the incomes of wealthy people, who have a higher savings rate, leading to a reduced national savings rate, higher interest rates and lower asset prices, which could cause some businesses to decide against doing certain investments that wouldn't have a high enough return (relative to the interest rate on that capital).

Since everything is tied together it's hard to reason through all of this. For companies making investment decisions the interest rate will obviously be one factor, but projected consumer demand will be another, and it's easy to imagine in some cases higher middle-class incomes and consumer demand might be more important than a lower interest rate for decisions around building new factories etc.

Obviously it's complex and I don't have a strongly-held opinion. But taking a historical perspective interest rates are near record lows and financial asset prices are at record highs. On those grounds policies that might nudge us back a little into where the economy has been operating for the past 50 years (regarding interest rates etc) seem less risky than ones that push us further away from our post-WWII historical experience.

Re:136 Countries agree to minimum corporate tax rate by tertius on Friday October 08, 2021 @04:39PM (#28803920)
Nope, the tax is paid on the profit (i.e. post consumer).