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Re:Pfizer vaccine immunity diminishes, can reach as low as 2... by zibzab on Friday October 08, 2021 @10:19AM (#28799562)
Not sure if this is against HN guidelines, but these are his submissions from THIS WEEK.

I let you decide what is going on here:

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Pfizer vaccine immunity diminishes, can reach as low as 20% after 4 months (insider.com) 6 points by AndrewBissell 1 hour ago | flag | past | 6 comments 2.

Hospitals consider universal DNR orders for coronavirus patients (2020) (washingtonpost.com) 4 points by AndrewBissell 19 hours ago | flag | past | 1 comment 3.

Finland joins Sweden and Denmark in limiting Moderna vaccine in men under 30 (yahoo.com) 14 points by AndrewBissell 22 hours ago | flag | past | 6 comments 4.

Pfizer Asks FDA to Authorize Its Covid-19 Vaccine for Children Aged 5 to 11 (nytimes.com) 2 points by AndrewBissell 1 day ago | flag | past | discuss 5.

Contrived Spectacles of “Protecting and Caring for the People” (brownstone.org) 2 points by AndrewBissell 1 day ago | flag | past | discuss 6.

A Report on Covid-19 Vaccine Associated Myocarditis Adverse Events in VAERS (sciencedirect.com) 20 points by AndrewBissell 1 day ago | flag | past | discuss 7.

Mechanism of molnupiravir-induced SARS-CoV-2 mutagenesis (nature.com) 2 points by AndrewBissell 1 day ago | flag | past | discuss 8.

Sweden pauses use of Moderna COVID vaccine for people under 30 (reuters.com) 7 points by AndrewBissell 2 days ago | flag | past | 1 comment 9.

University of Colorado Health denies kidney transplant to unvaccinated patient (twitter.com/tgeitner) 10 points by AndrewBissell 2 days ago | flag | past | 6 comments 10.

A ‘Pacemaker for the Brain’: No Treatment Helped Her Depression – Until This (nytimes.com) 9 points by AndrewBissell 2 days ago | flag | past | 1 comment 11.

Predominance of antibody-resistant Covid variants in Bay Area breakthrough cases (medrxiv.org) 10 points by AndrewBissell 3 days ago | flag | past | discuss 12.

A Company Family: The Untold History of Obama and the CIA (covertactionmagazine.com) 2 points by AndrewBissell 4 days ago | flag | past | discuss 13.

How OSHA will enforce the vaccine mandate for 80 million workers (npr.org) 3 points by AndrewBissell 4 days ago | flag | past | 1 comment 14.

8 in 10 children suffered mental health issues due to Covid response (express.co.uk) 2 points by AndrewBissell 4 days ago | flag | past | discuss 15.

Nosocomial Delta variant outbreak in a highly vaccinated and high PPE population (eurosurveillance.org) 3 points by AndrewBissell 5 days ago | flag | past | 1 comment 16.

Increases in Covid-19 are unrelated to levels of vaccination across 68 countries (springer.com) 14 points by AndrewBissell 5 days ago | flag | past | 2 comments 17.

“Look It Up, Check It Out”: REX 84 and the History of an American Conspiracy (wearethemutants.com) 3 points by AndrewBissell 5 days ago | flag | past | discuss 18.

Tamiflu and influenza vaccines: More harm than good? (bmj.com) 9 points by AndrewBissell 5 days ago | flag | past | discuss 19.

Merck created hit list to discredit dissenting doctors (2009) (cbsnews.com) 39 points by AndrewBissell 6 days ago | flag | past | 6 comments 20.

Ontario university will not allow unvaccinated students to take online courses (ctvnews.ca) 5 points by AndrewBissell 6 days ago | flag | past | 3 comments 21.

Molnupiravir inhibits SARS-CoV-2 in vitro but is mutagenic in mammalian cells (bvsalud.org) 3 points by AndrewBissell 6 days ago | flag | past | discuss 22.

Durability of immune responses to the Pfizer vaccine (biorxiv.org) 2 points by AndrewBissell 7 days ago | flag | past | discuss 23.

Vietnam abandons zero-Covid strategy after record drop in GDP (ft.com) 8 points by AndrewBissell 7 days ago | flag | past | 1 comment 24.

IRS would track all bank transactions over $600 in Biden plan; Businesses revolt (yahoo.com) 12 points by AndrewBissell 7 days ago | flag | past | 4 comments 25.

Incidence of Audiological Adverse Effects Induced by Covid-19 Vaccines (sagepub.com) 1 point by AndrewBissell 7 days ago | flag | past | discuss

Re:Pfizer vaccine immunity diminishes, can reach as low as 2... by gus_massa on Friday October 08, 2021 @10:48AM (#28799925)
In spite I disagree with his opinion (see for example [1]) I think it's important to keep the discussion as open as possible. The data in the article is real, and it's important to discuss it. I prefer to have a discussion about why the 20% in the submission title is a bad metric. Is it a bad metric? Why? (It looks like a result of a study that is not a RCT. It may be a good study, but I'm getting tired of reading non RCT to try to understand what they are doing and not been sure if it's a good or bad study.)

In this post I'm slightly concerned by the title. The guidelines ask to use the original title, that is "Pfizer's COVID-19 protection against infection may wane after 2 months, but it still prevents hospitalization and death for at least 6, new study finds" . It's too long.

You can be pessimist and use the first part, or optimist and use the second part. Both are opinionated reductions. The OP used a sentence somewhere in the middle of the article, that is also a possibility in case the title is too bad, but in this case it's also a very opinionated choice.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28721282

Re:Pfizer vaccine immunity diminishes, can reach as low as 2... by AndrewBissell on Friday October 08, 2021 @11:32AM (#28800390)
The headline and link have changed from the original Yahoo News post I submitted. I can't find it now (they have since been changed to emphasize the durability against hospitalization), but it said something like "Pfizer vaccine immunity diminishes after 2 months, may reach as low as 20% after 4 months." It was too long and I tried to cut it down while preserving the most salient details in the original headline.
Re:Pfizer vaccine immunity diminishes, can reach as low as 2... by gus_massa on Friday October 08, 2021 @11:53AM (#28800614)
Sorry for that. I forget to include that possibility. It's still visible in the URL https://www.insider.com/pfizer-covid-19-immunity-protection-... ( to avoid the ... in HN: pfizer-covid-19-immunity-protection-wanes-reaches-20-four-months-2021-10 )
Re:Pfizer vaccine immunity diminishes, can reach as low as 2... by AndrewBissell on Friday October 08, 2021 @12:01PM (#28800733)
No worries. I will confess to sometimes adding "restrictions" to "due to Covid" headlines (e.g. with "Hunger increases sharply in the developing world due to Covid" I would add it), but I see that as just remedying the editorialization implicit in the originals.
Re:Pfizer vaccine immunity diminishes, can reach as low as 2... by AndrewBissell on Friday October 08, 2021 @10:23AM (#28799613)
I had some flagged submissions too:

"We Are All Cattle Now": https://eugyppius.substack.com/p/we-are-all-cattle-now

"An Open Letter to Dr. Anthony Fauci (1988)": https://www.villagevoice.com/2020/05/28/an-open-letter-to-dr...

Re:Pfizer vaccine immunity diminishes, can reach as low as 2... by MatteoFrigo on Friday October 08, 2021 @10:57AM (#28800040)
I for one look forward to OP's submissions, and I am perfectly capable of forming my own opinion on the quality and content of each one.
Re:Pfizer vaccine immunity diminishes, can reach as low as 2... by angryasian on Friday October 08, 2021 @04:28PM (#28803822)
its questionable to me that this "person" has such a vested interest in the vaccine and why he wants his viewpoint to be spread so actively
Re:Pfizer vaccine immunity diminishes, can reach as low as 2... by AndrewBissell on Friday October 08, 2021 @05:19PM (#28804335)
Yeah people are just openly calling for the unvaccinated to take the side effects lottery or lose their jobs with no possibility of unemployment assistance, don't know why anyone would care so much.
Re:Pfizer vaccine immunity diminishes, can reach as low as 2... by angryasian on Saturday October 09, 2021 @02:08PM (#28811919)
I'm sure the potential for spreading a virus for an employer knowingly not taking preventable measures will be challenged in court.

Its not really a side effects lottery any longer. This is complete nonsense.

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Re:Pfizer vaccine immunity diminishes, can reach as low as 2... by smt88 on Saturday October 09, 2021 @11:35PM (#28815534)
> people so monomaniacally focused on Covid

Based on your submission history, you are also monomaniacally focused on Covid.

> leaky COVID vaccines did something to reduce transmission of the dominant Delta variant (they don't)

This is false[1]. Please stop spreading conspiracy theories and misinformation.

> letting employers mandate experimental injections is a terrible idea

The vaccines have been used on more than 1B people and have demonstrably saved lives. After they leave someone's system, they have no more capacity to cause harm (because they are no longer in the person's system).

What would have to happen for the vaccines not to be "experimental" anymore? By your definition, aren't all medical interventions experimental? Why do you know so much more about vaccines than actual medical professionals? What is their incentive to harm millions of people against their medical oath?

I actually agree that no government should force people to be vaccinated, but if we have undeniable evidence from millions of people around the world that unvaccinated people are more dangerous to be around, then we shouldn't let them harm other people at their workplace.

1. https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02689-y

Re:Pfizer vaccine immunity diminishes, can reach as low as 2... by AndrewBissell on Sunday October 10, 2021 @10:49AM (#28818863)
From the article you linked:

> Unfortunately, the vaccine’s beneficial effect on Delta transmission waned to almost negligible levels over time. In people infected 2 weeks after receiving the vaccine developed by the University of Oxford and AstraZeneca, both in the UK, the chance that an unvaccinated close contact would test positive was 57%, but 3 months later, that chance rose to 67%. The latter figure is on par with the likelihood that an unvaccinated person will spread the virus.

A reduction was also observed in people vaccinated with the jab made by US company Pfizer and German firm BioNTech. The risk of spreading the Delta infection soon after vaccination with that jab was 42%, but increased to 58% with time.

Wow, truly amazing protection. Better get started firing everyone who had their shots more than 3 months ago too.

> After they leave someone's system, they have no more capacity to cause harm (because they are no longer in the person's system).

Complete nonsense that flies in the face of even the manufacturers' own risk statements, not to mention their insistence on being granted continued blanket immunity against unforeseen damages -- why bother if, as you insist, they are ontologically impossible? Perhaps it's because the human body and immune system are not some computer program about which one can reason a priori as if you're just inserting a few lines of code.

Keep lecturing on "misinformation" though.