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Re:How the .NET Foundation kerfuffle became a brouhaha by wly_cdgr on Thursday October 07, 2021 @11:59PM (#28795607)
From the GitHub thread it seems like these projects willingly transferred the copyright to the DNF when they joined; is that not the case? If it is what grounds do they have for being upset?
Re:How the .NET Foundation kerfuffle became a brouhaha by jabbany on Friday October 08, 2021 @12:43AM (#28795822)
Copyright is only with respect to the code.

What's being done here is changes to how the project is managed. Basically inserting an upper management over the heads of existing maintainers. AFAIK, this right was not given (or at least the maintainers did not intend to give) to the umbrella org.

Re:How the .NET Foundation kerfuffle became a brouhaha by robmen on Friday October 08, 2021 @03:41AM (#28796698)
Important to note, this extra layer was added without discussing it would be done before or after. The lack of communication eroded trust.
Re:How the .NET Foundation kerfuffle became a brouhaha by still_grokking on Friday October 08, 2021 @01:55AM (#28796150)
But if you gave away copyright you don't own the project any more. And if you don't own it, you don't own it…

The new owner can do further on how he pleases.

Sad in this case(es) but from a legal standpoint it's very likely like that, I guess (INAL).

Re:How the .NET Foundation kerfuffle became a brouhaha by oaiey on Friday October 08, 2021 @02:22AM (#28796282)
Yeah, but a stupid owner does what they did as nuclear options, a smart owner has the power but never use them but convinces people and let them work loosely as long as this is possible.

This is a cooperate thinking applied to a foundation. Is a recipe for failure.

Re:How the .NET Foundation kerfuffle became a brouhaha by robmen on Friday October 08, 2021 @03:46AM (#28796729)
The copyright applies to the source code the copyright is written on. Lawyers then argue who owns the "project" (GitHub organization/repository). For example, the copyright is not applied to the issues in the issue tracker.

But the argument is about whether the .NET Foundation could do such a thing. The argument is whether they should. And, the .NET Foundation chooses that they should take over the projects, project maintainers can make different decisions themselves.

None of this has been decided yet.

Re:How the .NET Foundation kerfuffle became a brouhaha by didibus on Friday October 08, 2021 @02:37AM (#28796365)
I'm pretty sure the copyright is shared, at least that's how I've seen CLA's happen in the past, they grant joint ownership.
Re:How the .NET Foundation kerfuffle became a brouhaha by robmen on Friday October 08, 2021 @03:47AM (#28796735)
Some projects are "contribution" (like you describe) and some are "assignment" (.NET Foundation holds the copyright).
Re:How the .NET Foundation kerfuffle became a brouhaha by Brian_K_White on Friday October 08, 2021 @01:18AM (#28795993)
You willingly gave me the key to your garage so that I can mow your lawn with your lawnmower.

I used the key to steal your car.

Re:How the .NET Foundation kerfuffle became a brouhaha by robmen on Friday October 08, 2021 @03:48AM (#28796738)
Then you and I would probably no longer be friends.
Re:How the .NET Foundation kerfuffle became a brouhaha by jgilias on Friday October 08, 2021 @02:26AM (#28796307)
They signed over Copyright.

Isn't a better analogy that they willingly gifted away their garage with everything in it under a _promise_ that they can still use the car?

Honestly, to me the only way out seems to exercise the licensee rights and fork.

Re:How the .NET Foundation kerfuffle became a brouhaha by iudqnolq on Friday October 08, 2021 @03:53AM (#28796761)
Nitpick, but in general a verbal promise in exchange for something of value would be considered a legally binding contract in the US.
Re:How the .NET Foundation kerfuffle became a brouhaha by jgilias on Friday October 08, 2021 @06:46AM (#28797755)
I think not just US, also Switzerland among other places. But either way, Copyright was signed over, and that has real implications. Although, in this case I gather that initially the Copyright owner for the given project was Microsoft, then some other foundation, and now .NET foundation. So, it's not like the maintenaners signed over anything they had, really. As sad as it is, legally it has never been theirs. Good thing the license protects some freedoms.
Re:How the .NET Foundation kerfuffle became a brouhaha by robmen on Friday October 08, 2021 @03:49AM (#28796744)
Forking is still one way this may resolve. The .NET Foundation can decide to provide other options.
Re:How the .NET Foundation kerfuffle became a brouhaha by robmen on Friday October 08, 2021 @03:40AM (#28796689)
I think if you read the blog post, it'll be clearer.
Re:How the .NET Foundation kerfuffle became a brouhaha by fsckboy on Friday October 08, 2021 @02:57AM (#28796461)
they didn't transfer copyright, they granted a nonexclusive license
Re:How the .NET Foundation kerfuffle became a brouhaha by robmen on Friday October 08, 2021 @03:49AM (#28796746)
Depends on the project.