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Re:Google, YouTube to prohibit ads and monetization on clima... by joe_the_user on Thursday October 07, 2021 @06:32PM (#28792941)
The core of science is debate. There is no singular truth for most things in the scientific world, and lots and lots of shades of "the truth".

Science isn't done by youtube video battles but by debates in scholarly journals. Youtube is a medium for popularizing whatever content. Youtube seems well in its rights in banning content it considers harmful and in this case I'd agree with this ban.

That's not to say youtube's effective monopoly isn't concerning. I'd rather see ten providers but I'd like to see them all ban climate change, antivax and similarly noxious content - make people interested in the subject read long texts instead.

Video isn't good medium for sustained, coherent debate. In this instance, it's a means of broadcasting shallow propaganda to morons, or put less insultingly, those not using rational facilities to decide things.

Re:Google, YouTube to prohibit ads and monetization on clima... by hartator on Thursday October 07, 2021 @06:51PM (#28793155)
> but by debates in scholarly journals.

And these debates should be open. It's incredible how hard getting data on clinical studies are vs. here our culture of open source.

Re:Google, YouTube to prohibit ads and monetization on clima... by COGlory on Thursday October 07, 2021 @08:29PM (#28794049)
>Science isn't done by youtube video battles but by debates in scholarly journals.

As a scientist, I would prefer more open discussion. Because the conversations scientists have with each other is not what ends up getting told to the public, and many agendas impact that.

Re:Google, YouTube to prohibit ads and monetization on clima... by joe_the_user on Thursday October 07, 2021 @10:35PM (#28795097)
Most scholarly journals are open. Moreover, anyone with a dissident opinion can publish an alternative journal and these certainly exist.

You know the climate change denial videos on youtube aren't "getting things in the open" but slick sales jobs for a particular viewpoint.

Re:Google, YouTube to prohibit ads and monetization on clima... by KingMachiavelli on Thursday October 07, 2021 @06:47PM (#28793115)
> Science isn't done by YouTube video battles but by debates in scholarly journals.

That's a lot of confidence to have in a very broken system given the replication crisis, ineffective peer review process, excessive and pervasive paywalls, and general high barrier to entry.

Youtube is actually pretty great platform for lots of science and educational channels. I could easily see a scenario where some very poorly done climate study is talked about on Youtube and it becomes demonetized simple because the algorithm believed it was 'climate change denial ism'.

Sure it is Youtube's right to do whatever they want and we are just 'lucky' that Youtube isn't controlled by anti-vax, climate change truthers, etc.

Re:Google, YouTube to prohibit ads and monetization on clima... by joe_the_user on Thursday October 07, 2021 @06:57PM (#28793216)
That's a lot of confidence to have in a very broken system given the replication crisis, ineffective peer review process, excessive and pervasive paywalls, and general high barrier to entry.

Lots of alternative scientific journals exist. Climate change denial is, in fact, well financed. There's nothing about a youtube ban that prevents alternative scientific research, even into things I'd considered absurd and despicable.

Re:Google, YouTube to prohibit ads and monetization on clima... by creato on Thursday October 07, 2021 @06:38PM (#28793016)
They're not even banning the content, they're just not showing ads on it.
Re:Google, YouTube to prohibit ads and monetization on clima... by Aerroon on Thursday October 07, 2021 @06:47PM (#28793117)
YouTube only makes money if ads are shown on the video. YouTube also has an algorithm that chooses what gets promoted and recommended. There is absolutely no way that YouTube does not take into account whether a video is monetized when choosing recommendations. Ie this will most certainly limit the visibility of these kinds of videos.
Re:Google, YouTube to prohibit ads and monetization on clima... by esrauch on Thursday October 07, 2021 @07:36PM (#28793565)
It seems like the goalposts are moving in the conversation. People are acting like it's banned above, and then you're saying it hypothetically will be less but still nonzero proactive algorithmic promotion of the content, right?
Re:Google, YouTube to prohibit ads and monetization on clima... by imtringued on Friday October 08, 2021 @10:52AM (#28799975)
Promoting the content is the same thing as endorsing it.
Re:Google, YouTube to prohibit ads and monetization on clima... by ekianjo on Thursday October 07, 2021 @06:43PM (#28793065)
They recently removed videos against Covid vaccines.
Re:Google, YouTube to prohibit ads and monetization on clima... by munk-a on Thursday October 07, 2021 @06:48PM (#28793124)
Those videos lead to deaths - so that's completely reasonable. America has pretty much plateaued in terms of vaccination rates and that is prolonging a disaster.

If we're going to ban instructional bomb construction videos then I think anti-vax stuff is perfectly acceptable as well. I really don't understand where this miscomprehension that you should be able to say anything you want on private platforms comes from - there have always limits even on public speech, and private platforms have traditionally refused to print or publish items that go too strongly against their corporate beliefs. This even extends into print media and editorial boards.

Re:Google, YouTube to prohibit ads and monetization on clima... by ekianjo on Saturday October 09, 2021 @04:51AM (#28808149)
> Those videos lead to deaths

Smoking and Drinking also directly cause deaths, yet as a society we are fine with taking such levels of risks and let people in videos show that they are smoking and drinking too. And don't get me started on opoids prescriptions which kill way more people that COVID all things considered (in years of life cost) and for which nobody seems to lift any finger to stop the carnage.

Which is why it's wrong on so many levels to censor stuff, because orgs that do that have no clue and no principles and just follow a certain political agenda instead of any rational motive.

Re:Google, YouTube to prohibit ads and monetization on clima... by t0bia_s on Thursday October 07, 2021 @07:35PM (#28793562)
How could video lead to death? I though it works only in horror films.
Re:Google, YouTube to prohibit ads and monetization on clima... by munk-a on Thursday October 07, 2021 @09:30PM (#28794632)
The US is currently 64% vaccinated even though the vaccine has been available there the longest - this is well behind most other western countries.
Re:Google, YouTube to prohibit ads and monetization on clima... by t0bia_s on Friday October 08, 2021 @01:57AM (#28796155)
It is not answer for my question.
Re:Google, YouTube to prohibit ads and monetization on clima... by perryizgr8 on Friday October 08, 2021 @10:44AM (#28799869)
Every video leads to death. You waste 10 minutes of your limited time. You are 10 minutes closer to death after watching the video.
Re:Google, YouTube to prohibit ads and monetization on clima... by ekianjo on Saturday October 09, 2021 @04:52AM (#28808158)
> Every video leads to death.

your comment has led to death too, by that kind of logic?

Re:Google, YouTube to prohibit ads and monetization on clima... by t0bia_s on Friday October 08, 2021 @02:04PM (#28802212)
Ok, that is valid answer. Should we ban entire YouTube then?
Re:Google, YouTube to prohibit ads and monetization on clima... by perryizgr8 on Saturday October 09, 2021 @01:02AM (#28807190)
Exactly, lol! It's a net detriment to mankind.
Re:Google, YouTube to prohibit ads and monetization on clima... by otabdeveloper4 on Friday October 08, 2021 @02:42AM (#28796397)
Well, "crate challenge" videos demonstably lead to deaths as well.
Re:Google, YouTube to prohibit ads and monetization on clima... by munk-a on Friday October 08, 2021 @02:18PM (#28802343)
America prides itself on being the land of personal responsibility - I think the crate challenge stuff is quite dangerous and folks need to stop being idiots. But in the US people will cheer on Darwin Award candidates so that's sort of part of the culture now - doing something that harms other people is still a no-no though.
Re:Google, YouTube to prohibit ads and monetization on clima... by joe_the_user on Thursday October 07, 2021 @06:54PM (#28793187)
Not to mention science doesn't consider all opinions equal or worth publication in standard journals, etc.

Science is just more forgiving and less dogmatic than religion. etc.

Re:Google, YouTube to prohibit ads and monetization on clima... by spfzero on Friday October 08, 2021 @02:17AM (#28796246)
Science certainly is. The "science" establishment in the USA... not so much. It is just as dogmatic as religion. Take the dogma of zoonotic origin of covid-19 in early 2020 for example. Where was the "less dogmatic" then?