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Re:Is Ford about to reinvent the bicycle derailleur? by Eric_WVGG on Thursday October 07, 2021 @02:25PM (#28790266)
btw, just a point by point on your wishlist…

- automatic emergency braking: this is a terrible idea. I can't imagine any circumstance where ones bike would suddenly stop underneath them and not send the rider head-first into whatever made the bike stop.

- turn signals: This exists but I suspect that in practice you'd find it less useful than you expect. Drivers and cyclists simply don't expect to see them, so they'd be mostly confused or annoyed.

- automatic lighting: I agree. More importantly, lighting should be integrated into most bicycle frames

- regenerative braking: this exists

- gps/anti theft tracking: this exists

- speedometor: this exists, but if you're not an actual racer… why?

- rear radar: this sounds bizarre… but rear view mirrors actually are commonplace

You really walked into the wrong bicycle shop. I hope the experience didn't put you off cycling, it's the best regardless of your approach.

Re:Is Ford about to reinvent the bicycle derailleur? by ashtonbaker on Thursday October 07, 2021 @02:35PM (#28790399)
Rear radar also exists, Garmin Varia for example. I'd trust a helmet-mounted mirror more. The other thing about this overall vision for bicycles is that everyone has different needs. This sounds like a wishlist for a commuter e-bike, but it's not at all what road cyclists are looking for. And most of this does exist as an integrated package, from various ebike manufacturers. It's just expensive and heavy, and adds a lot of maintenance overhead for not much practical benefit.
Re:Is Ford about to reinvent the bicycle derailleur? by wolverine876 on Thursday October 07, 2021 @04:43PM (#28791795)
> I'd trust a helmet-mounted mirror more

AFAIK, it undermines the integrity of the helmet in a crash. Perhaps it's worth the trade-off, but also having some loose stick of metal flying around my head in a crash is conceptually unappealing.

Re:Is Ford about to reinvent the bicycle derailleur? by ashtonbaker on Thursday October 07, 2021 @09:56PM (#28794811)
I've never heard of the helmet integrity issue. Doesn't seem plausible with a sturdy commuter-grade helmet.

The way I think about safety equipment is that the most effective kind is the one that you always have with you, that doesn't run out of batteries.

Maybe the idea of having a mirror near your face is a concern, but hey, you're already in a bicycle crash, it's not going to be great either way. Wear some safety glasses for the flying debris. The best plan is to prevent that situation in the first place.

Re:Is Ford about to reinvent the bicycle derailleur? by wolverine876 on Friday October 08, 2021 @01:42PM (#28801916)
> I've never heard of the helmet integrity issue. Doesn't seem plausible with a sturdy commuter-grade helmet.

I've seen it in a few places. I dug up some notes:

The following is from: "The Do's and Don'ts of Bike Helmet Care" at Consumer Reports (15 April 2017) https://www.consumerreports.org/bike-helmets/the-dos-and-don...

* "The strap and/or adhesive mounts could damage the helmet, especially if they’re installed less than perfectly."

* "the larger problem is the camera itself. A helmet is designed to have a surface without protrusions, and a camera represents a significant one. / ... "Anytime you add an external component to a helmet, you can change the performance of that helmet," says [Ian] Hall, [Consumer Product Safety Commission engineer]. "A helmet-mounted camera may become a projectile if it detaches in a crash, but a camera that remains attached could focus the forces applied to the rider’s head, increasing the risk of injury."

And from a Specialized helmet owner's manual: "Do not attach anything to your helmet, including mirrors or lights."

Re:Is Ford about to reinvent the bicycle derailleur? by Eric_WVGG on Friday October 08, 2021 @05:49PM (#28804535)
there are handlebar mounted mirrors, my father has one
Re:Is Ford about to reinvent the bicycle derailleur? by wolverine876 on Thursday October 07, 2021 @04:44PM (#28791803)
> automatic emergency braking: this is a terrible idea. I can't imagine any circumstance where ones bike would suddenly stop underneath them and not send the rider head-first into whatever made the bike stop.

Agreed, though I was thinking of anti-lock breaking, to prevent skids.

Re:Is Ford about to reinvent the bicycle derailleur? by PaulDavisThe1st on Thursday October 07, 2021 @02:35PM (#28790403)
> You really walked into the wrong bicycle shop.

They said they owned a bicycle shop!

Re:Is Ford about to reinvent the bicycle derailleur? by Eric_WVGG on Thursday October 07, 2021 @02:43PM (#28790496)
I misread that too. He said "bike owner," not "bike shop owner"