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Re:“looks like Firefox quietly added ads into the address bar” by foerbert on Wednesday October 06, 2021 @10:48PM (#28781244)
Yep. It's way beyond anything I consider acceptable. I'm disgusted, really.

It's still pretty fresh, so it's possible my opinion softens later, but right now I'm thinking it's appropriate to consider Chrome and Firefox pretty much equivalent on 'ethical' (or whatever you want to call it) grounds.

Google is far more of a concern than Mozilla, but at this point it feels like Chrome is out to get you less than Firefox is.

I nearly acted on my impulse to start switching everything over to Chrome. The only thing that saved Firefox here is the memory of some concerns about adblocking on Chrome in the future. I haven't looked into it much, so I don't know how significant of a concern that is. But functionally no adblock is worse than being forced to turn off user-hostile options, so, here I remain. I guess. For now.

Re:“looks like Firefox quietly added ads into the address bar” by wutbrodo on Wednesday October 06, 2021 @11:37PM (#28781549)
Yea, I can't even imagine the furor if Chrome were to do this and make it opt-out. Very unexpected from Mozilla, even with my lowered standards of the last half decade.
Re:“looks like Firefox quietly added ads into the address bar” by dralley on Thursday October 07, 2021 @12:36AM (#28781981)
> Yea, I can't even imagine the furor if Chrome were to do this

But... Chrome does do this. They're just not labeled as ads.

Type the letter "K" (or any other single letter) into your Chrome search bar on a fresh profile and tell me what you see. Because I see an awful lot of "contextual suggestions" that are not really any different from ads.

https://imgur.com/a/baXZDrN

Re:“looks like Firefox quietly added ads into the address bar” by foerbert on Thursday October 07, 2021 @01:07AM (#28782254)
Welp. I guess that's my daily dose of 'oh god everything is actually worse than I thought and I don't know why I'm surprised again.'

There's no way that's a decent no-history guess for what is intended.

Re:“looks like Firefox quietly added ads into the address bar” by SCLeo on Thursday October 07, 2021 @09:21AM (#28785867)
Not saying I ditrust you, but do we know for sure that those are paids ads not unpaid sugesstions?
Re:“looks like Firefox quietly added ads into the address bar” by dralley on Thursday October 07, 2021 @10:51AM (#28787042)
I don't honestly think it matters. They're effectively ads in practice regardless of whether they're paid or not.

But I do get the feeling that "Kahoot", a mobile game I've literally never heard of, isn't an organic result.

Re:“looks like Firefox quietly added ads into the address bar” by techrat on Friday October 08, 2021 @04:17PM (#28803703)
I get zero suggestions for that within Google Chrome.

https://i.imgur.com/2uREs6u.png

I think it may be your own history popping up there.

Re:“looks like Firefox quietly added ads into the address bar” by anonymousab on Saturday October 09, 2021 @06:42PM (#28814009)
I think there's some weird A/B test shenanigans going on with this one. I have a machine where some letters or whole words will get google search results and ads with images in the first few entries of the dropdown, but on my main machine it's just google searches and then history/bookmarks at the bottom.
Re:“looks like Firefox quietly added ads into the address bar” by dralley on Sunday October 10, 2021 @10:48AM (#28818843)
It's not my own history because I have no history, I use Chrome exclusively for things that are completely broken on Firefox, which is mostly just 1 or 2 google websites.
Re:“looks like Firefox quietly added ads into the address bar” by SCLeo on Thursday October 14, 2021 @02:56PM (#28868425)
Yeah, I think it might be A/B testing as well. I don't get any suggestions from typing K. Everything that popped up is from my history.

Also, not really related, but from my experience, Kahoot is really popular in education. I bet at least 80% of my classmates in college have used it at least once. I am a bit surprised you never heard about it.

Re:“looks like Firefox quietly added ads into the address bar” by wutbrodo on Thursday October 07, 2021 @09:37AM (#28786052)
I don't think I understand your point. Are those ads, or just entity search? Or are you saying you don't think that the distinction between paid autocomplete results and rich autocomplete results are meaningful?
Re:“looks like Firefox quietly added ads into the address bar” by dralley on Thursday October 07, 2021 @12:35PM (#28788656)
Mostly the latter, but I also don't think these results (especially the first one) are organic.
Re:“looks like Firefox quietly added ads into the address bar” by wutbrodo on Thursday October 07, 2021 @06:30PM (#28792925)
Surely you'd agree that most people _do_ recognize this distinction though? And that's what relevant to whether the would be a furor, not your personal view on what makes ads harmful, which is rather idiosyncratic (regardless of whether it's more defensible/correct).
Re:“looks like Firefox quietly added ads into the address bar” by koziserek on Thursday October 07, 2021 @07:55AM (#28785065)
I'm switching to Nyxt browser on Linux and keep only Safari on Apple devices. Mozilla indeed developed a brilliant way to lose last 5% of market share.
Re:“looks like Firefox quietly added ads into the address bar” by raxxorrax on Thursday October 07, 2021 @08:54AM (#28785577)
Browser vendors know they need to change this gradually as a sudden impact would spawn a fork with a slight chance that it might catch on. Mozilla is certainly trying to boil some water here, but I think Google is worse in the long run.

Mozilla is still dependent on Google for funding, so the situation is already bad.