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Re:Facebook-owned sites were down by mixedCase on Monday October 04, 2021 @03:21PM (#28750901)
> for text chats, can be enabled by marking chat as 'secret'. Is it true E2E? Probably not (i.e. Telegram has keys that can be turned over to any government, noone argues with that)

That was my problem, and your confirmation means it's still as good as nothing.

> Does WhatsApp have a true E2E either? Ask hundreds of moderators employed by Facebook who review WhatsApp messages flagged as improper and the chat history around them...

If one of the ends decides to share a message, it's still E2E. That is the big difference.

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Re:Facebook-owned sites were down by aldanor on Monday October 04, 2021 @03:40PM (#28751131)
> If one of the ends decides to share a message, it's still E2E. That is the big difference.

True. But you can't prove that "one of the ends" must necessarily be a human and not the logic in the app code, or an intended backdoor? E.g., an automated logic scanning for 'malicious' messages on-device.

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