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Re:Facebook whistleblower says she wants to fix company, not... by AlbertCory on Monday October 04, 2021 @12:37AM (#28743133)
The simplest solution is the one FB will never accept, and yet the harm to the public would be virtually zero:

Eliminate all news, politics, and other public policy groups and apps. Return to being just a way to connect with friends and family.

No one needs to get their news from Facebook. There are plenty of other sites on the Web for that. Same for all these other "engagement" services.

Of course, this would cut their market cap to, oh, $100B or so. Boo-hoo.

Re:Facebook whistleblower says she wants to fix company, not... by gumby on Monday October 04, 2021 @02:54AM (#28743862)
> The simplest solution … : Eliminate all news, politics, and other public policy groups and apps.

I assume users want this content. I never see news, politics, etc because I’m not interested and FB has learnt I won’t engage in it.

I’m not trying to say this makes me good or bad or special. I’m saying that they use feedback each user individually and it seems allot of people want that stuff.

Re:Facebook whistleblower says she wants to fix company, not... by sjg007 on Monday October 04, 2021 @03:03AM (#28743926)
The FB app and website is a remix of friends, groups, and Craigslist

It has actually become a bad user experience.

Re:Facebook whistleblower says she wants to fix company, not... by Shaddox on Tuesday October 05, 2021 @10:30AM (#28759985)
I'm in the same boat.

Honestly people like to say "x social media sucks" but in actuality it's far simpler than that : people suck in general. Only now you get to see it for yourself at a more general level as opposed to anecdotal experience.

Re:Facebook whistleblower says she wants to fix company, not... by pmcp on Monday October 04, 2021 @05:10AM (#28744654)
You will have to define “news” first, or “politics”. As a former strategist for a big news room, I can tell you it’s not as easy as you make it out to be.
Re:Facebook whistleblower says she wants to fix company, not... by specialist on Monday October 04, 2021 @11:45AM (#28748191)
> As a former strategist for a big news room...

Would love to hear how you (and your cohort) would tackle these issues.

I just finished Jill Lepore's These Truths. Terrific. Tracks how our nation transformed from seekers of truth (for all our faults) to anti-truth.

The transition period from newspapers to mobile mediums as people's primary source of news is very interesting. Sure, everyone has been lamenting this ad nauseum. But somehow Lepore's explanation is just so tight and focused.

And yet. I haven't seen or heard any ideas or strategies for what's next.

Fills me with dread.

Re:Facebook whistleblower says she wants to fix company, not... by dvh1990 on Monday October 04, 2021 @03:45AM (#28744157)
How is censorship the answer? People want to consume all types of content on social as much as possible. The answer is making all the data public and open sourcing the feed algo + allowing users to pick their preferred algo. That way, if your feed is not to your liking, pick a better one.
Re:Facebook whistleblower says she wants to fix company, not... by amelius on Monday October 04, 2021 @04:01AM (#28744242)
Pushing one type of information relative to others is also censorship. Few people will change their feed algorithm without some kind of ballot screen.
Re:Facebook whistleblower says she wants to fix company, not... by dvh1990 on Monday October 04, 2021 @10:52AM (#28747490)
Then it's a UX problem. What if switching algo was like switching channels on your TV?
Re:Facebook whistleblower says she wants to fix company, not... by AlbertCory on Monday October 04, 2021 @11:25AM (#28747900)
If you're the ones complaining about "censorship" or how "people want it": sit right down.

No one is saying that other Web actors can't do all these things, or that people who want it can't find it; just Facebook. Because they're a monopoly and the usual rules don't apply to them. When you make the market, you can't defend yourself with free market principles.

Re:Facebook whistleblower says she wants to fix company, not... by Broken_Hippo on Monday October 04, 2021 @09:43AM (#28746584)
Eliminate all news, politics, and other public policy groups and apps. Return to being just a way to connect with friends and family.

Maybe this is just me being a late adopter of facebook (2012 or 2013 here), but... when was this magical time without politics and news? Was this in the time of game requests? Was there really no one sharing news stories back then? No groups discussing religion and philosophy and current events? No one organizing protests? No one commenting about how they disapproved of a lifestyle or couldn't ever harm a little, innocent unborn baby? Really??

I'm gonna guess you simply didn't see it from friends and family back then or didn't consider some of it to be political. It could be that people themselves share it more often now, but if that's the case, that's simply because the world has changed into such a world. But don't get me wrong, this isn't something facebook has done, as some folks have always been political and some loud about it.

Re:Facebook whistleblower says she wants to fix company, not... by 6gvONxR4sf7o on Monday October 04, 2021 @11:22AM (#28747860)
> when was this magical time without politics and news?

Before occupy Wall Street, maybe? Or before the recession? When it was just a college thing, it was great. I distinctly remember facebook during college being the same content makeup I get today when actually talking to friends. Photos from the weekend, conversation, invitations to the beach, jokes, etc. And you got these big albums, so it wasn’t IG’s carefully curated perfect-life-looking shininess.

> Really??

Yeah.

> I'm gonna guess you simply didn't see it

I think you joined after the good years.

Re:Facebook whistleblower says she wants to fix company, not... by Broken_Hippo on Monday October 04, 2021 @11:37AM (#28748073)
I think you joined after the good years.

Yeah, it always seemed like it wasn't worth it since I really didn't have many friends to speak of. I mostly joined to keep touch with family when moving overseas. I'm not sure about 'after the good years' since I've honestly met some wonderful folks and had always seen people act out the worst part of facebook in real life - racism, anti-gay, and anti-poor sentiments haven't been strangers to Indiana's small-to-medium towns. You know, making it hard to believe it wasn't on facebook too.

Re:Facebook whistleblower says she wants to fix company, not... by 6gvONxR4sf7o on Monday October 04, 2021 @12:28PM (#28749008)
Presumably, you’re trying to imagine facebook 2021 without the shittiness, or facebook 2012 without the shittiness. Facebook 2005, however, was an entirely different product. Sure, people were shitty then. But the product didn’t bring it out. Maybe it’s a way of saying the virtual vs IRL behavior gap was really small back then, and each “product improvement” widens it.
Re:Facebook whistleblower says she wants to fix company, not... by AlbertCory on Monday October 04, 2021 @01:05PM (#28749478)
No, sorry, you're right. Some of my "friends & family" did insist on posting politics all the time. I muted or unfriended all of them. You'd be surprised how many people never do that stuff.
Re:Facebook whistleblower says she wants to fix company, not... by karmajunkie on Monday October 04, 2021 @09:58AM (#28746759)
My first post was in 2004, and shortly thereafter my second was something railing on Bush. you’re right, facebook has always been inseparable from politics and current events.
Re:Facebook whistleblower says she wants to fix company, not... by htrp on Monday October 04, 2021 @09:52AM (#28746689)
2004 or so .... Facebook was limited to updates about what your friend circle did in college.
Re:Facebook whistleblower says she wants to fix company, not... by ok123456 on Monday October 04, 2021 @11:09AM (#28747683)
In a single textarea element. It was more like a graffiti wall where any of your friends could edit.
Re:Facebook whistleblower says she wants to fix company, not... by doktorhladnjak on Monday October 04, 2021 @02:46AM (#28743805)
What you describe is basically Instagram
Re:Facebook whistleblower says she wants to fix company, not... by lambdasquirrel on Monday October 04, 2021 @02:55AM (#28743869)
Which is why FB will never accept it. There's room in FB for one Instagram. Not two of them.

Besides, I don't know about everyone else, but a fair chunk of my FB feed was pretty much people getting outraged by (or trying to discredit) fake news, hyperbolic news, or disinformation. Because that's the stuff that goes viral.

Re:Facebook whistleblower says she wants to fix company, not... by Moosdijk on Monday October 04, 2021 @03:20AM (#28744022)
what would stop users or "bad actors" from sharing/spreading news/politics/poliy themselves?