Re:Treating beef like coal would make a big dent in greenhou...
by adrianN on Friday October 01, 2021 @02:00AM
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Probably they are. Although I'm not convinced that nuclear is the cheapest solution to climate change.
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Re:Treating beef like coal would make a big dent in greenhou...
by Jensson on Friday October 01, 2021 @03:10AM
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If we continued to build nuclear rather than retire them then we wouldn't have any issues today except cars and air. What do you mean "not most cost efficient", there are no other options we know of today. They are all based on future tech we don't have, like being able to store wind or solar etc.
Do you really want to bet the future of earth on the chance that we find a solution to those problems before climate change really becomes a huge disaster? I wouldn't, I would build what we know works. And since many are saying that we are already heading for a disaster, we can say that your bet didn't pay off, the chase for viable solar and wind failed and nuclear was the only viable option.
Re:Treating beef like coal would make a big dent in greenhou...
by adrianN on Friday October 01, 2021 @03:37AM
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We have the technology to store wind and solar: batteries for very short durations, electrolysis (optionally followed by a Sabatier reaction to make Methane) for longer duration. Both are quite expensive, but so is nuclear. I don't know which option is cheaper overall.
Re:Treating beef like coal would make a big dent in greenhou...
by MagnumOpus on Friday October 01, 2021 @04:35AM
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Nuclear is massively cheaper as long as you build it in scale 20 reactors at a time, like France did in the 1970s or China has been doing for the last decade.
The capital cost of any battery, flywheel or pumped storage is higher than the $30-50/MWh energy of a nuclear plant, without even having built any PV or wind generation.
Re:Treating beef like coal would make a big dent in greenhou...
by sofixa on Friday October 01, 2021 @03:00AM
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To me it seems it's the only realistic solution ( more realistic than the grid scale storage required to make renewables only work for most countries). What does cost have to do with it? We either want to fix the problem before it renders a big chunk of the planet inhospitable and who knows what else ( e.g. the heat dome in the Pacific Northwest this summer ), or not. Money shouldn't be part of the conversation, like it wasn't in Chernobyl ( though to be fair, it did nearly bankrupt the Soviet Union and being about its downfall).
Re:Treating beef like coal would make a big dent in greenhou...
by adrianN on Friday October 01, 2021 @03:05AM
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If you're right that it's the only solution then of course cost is not that important. Many people don't think that it's the only solution, so cost is important.
Re:Treating beef like coal would make a big dent in greenhou...
by eink-reader-32 on Sunday October 03, 2021 @05:00PM
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Well another completely wild solution would be to make end users responsible for storing electricity during non-generation hours. I.e. "each home having a battery device." I just made this up now but thinking about what the end result might be...
encourages:
- more people to buy electric cars that can also act as a whole home battery
- even more research dollars in storage/battery tech
- distributed power grid
- resell electricity to grid (or maybe even local neighbours)
- short-term power outages are handled by design
- people think more about their electricity usage
- people may be more likely to generate power at home
downsides: - unnecessary extra cost to end users
- might be less efficient then centralization
- certain markets/peoples will not be able to easily access stored electricity?
Re:Treating beef like coal would make a big dent in greenhou...
by GhettoComputers on Friday October 01, 2021 @08:14AM
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Depends on the kind of nuclear doesn’t it? Thorium isn’t popular because it’s not useful for uranium enrichment. Efficient solar would be ideal, but the mining and harmful externalities would be best done away from the earth.
Re:Treating beef like coal would make a big dent in greenhou...
by wumpus on Friday October 01, 2021 @02:11AM
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Cool. I wonder how you think calling people names advances a civil discussion? Good that you're open-minded on the topic.
Re:Treating beef like coal would make a big dent in greenhou...
by adrianN on Friday October 01, 2021 @02:31AM
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I think that people don't act rationally outside of theories taught in Economics 101 classrooms is commonly known. I don't mean it in a derogatory way, being irrational is just part of human nature.