Re:Ruby removed “Participants will be tolerant of opposing v...
by ameister14 on Thursday September 30, 2021 @08:59PM
(#28713247)
It's really odd to make fundamental rule changes to respond to things like that rather than carving out exceptions for sexist remarks specifically if those are the problem.
'This section shall not be interpreted to defend any communication reasonably seen as sexist, racist, or otherwise discriminatory' is much clearer than changing from 'assume good faith' to 'assume nothing, intent doesn't matter as much as impact. '
Re:Ruby removed “Participants will be tolerant of opposing v...
by SpicyLemonZest on Thursday September 30, 2021 @09:06PM
(#28713298)
The PR author elaborated further in the linked Twitter thread: he believes that a policy of assuming good faith is bad on its own merits because it tends to benefit white men. (https://twitter.com/JakeHerrington/status/144328685321023079...)
Re:Ruby removed “Participants will be tolerant of opposing v...
by pseudalopex on Thursday September 30, 2021 @10:31PM
(#28713847)
They quoted the start of a thread the author summarized saying it's bad because it gives cover to bad behavior. And can require people who recognize a pattern of bad behavior to persuade themselves they're paranoid. You might disagree. But those points have nothing to do with race or sex. And pointing out it's easier for people who face less bad behavior is about white men only incidentally.
Re:Ruby removed “Participants will be tolerant of opposing v...
by ameister14 on Thursday September 30, 2021 @09:18PM
(#28713382)
I don't think it's a good idea to respond to this in depth, so I'll just say that I disagree with his assessment.
Re:Ruby removed “Participants will be tolerant of opposing v...
by morpunkee on Thursday September 30, 2021 @08:54PM
(#28713202)
Apparently this mailing list comment triggered this reaction:
http://blade.nagaokaut.ac.jp/cgi-bin/scat.rb/ruby/ruby-talk/...
Re:Ruby removed “Participants will be tolerant of opposing v...
by seattle_spring on Thursday September 30, 2021 @09:32PM
(#28713479)
I tried really hard to follow the threading in that but I came away being completely unable to parse it, at least on mobile. What was the attempted "joke"?
Re:Ruby removed “Participants will be tolerant of opposing v...
by jrootabega on Friday October 01, 2021 @06:23AM
(#28716612)
Guy reports a behavior where date math doesn't return the result he expected and jokes that it might have to do with how women don't like to admit when they're aging.
Re:Ruby removed “Participants will be tolerant of opposing v...
by p2t2p on Friday October 01, 2021 @06:48AM
(#28716761)
I am fairly conservative libertarian leaning guy made in Russia and even I find this kind of joke absolutely unacceptable in professional setting.
Re:Ruby removed “Participants will be tolerant of opposing v...
by jrootabega on Friday October 01, 2021 @07:01AM
(#28716840)
I wouldn't have made the joke, myself, but it's also not really insulting to anyone. It's not saying that women are bad at math, or that women broke date arithmetic to seem younger, it's just referencing that phenomenon.
What about a joke where adding weights resulted in quantities too large, and it's suggested that it was written for dudes who want to say they can bench press more than they really can?
Re:Ruby removed “Participants will be tolerant of opposing v...
by p2t2p on Friday October 01, 2021 @07:29AM
(#28717066)
Same, I find this joke to be inappropriate in professional settings. May be it doesn’t offend anyone or may be it does, you never know.
Re:Ruby removed “Participants will be tolerant of opposing v...
by angelzen on Friday October 01, 2021 @12:47PM
(#28720713)
I'd rather that joke were not made. There is a difference though between a discreet 'not a great moment' and public 'absolutely inacceptable [and we should hound the poor sap out of all gainful employment opportunities for life]'. A classic management principle is 'praise in public, criticize in private'. While the joke was was indeed inappropriate, the public reaction was 10x worse.
Re:Ruby removed “Participants will be tolerant of opposing v...
by p2t2p on Sunday October 03, 2021 @08:20AM
(#28736612)
I can agree that there should be no public flogging, provided it is first couple times. If it has been explained to the individual that certain behaviour is considered unprofessional and yet they insist on engaging in it then... well, there should be consequences.
It's mentioned in passing a couple of comments in. To highlight it (because it's easy to miss):
"I watched a group of people use these specific phrases to justify making sexist remarks over a communication channel that falls under these guidelines."