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Re:US Published National Debt: $28T. The Truth: $146T. Each ... by bserge on Thursday September 30, 2021 @02:45PM (#28709665)
Nobody cares anymore. People are working, resources are being extracted, created and traded, economies are rolling. Money is there to facilitate that, but on its own it's pretty much worthless. Just wish inequality wasn't so fucking huge.
Re:US Published National Debt: $28T. The Truth: $146T. Each ... by boringg on Thursday September 30, 2021 @02:50PM (#28709753)
On the inequality front - I just wish the media didn't fan the flames all the time and make it feel like the only thing that matters. If I didn't know how the rest of the world lives I probably wouldn't care as much about it. If I see stories about it all the time and people flaunting their wealth it aggravates me.

I also recognize it is a real problem and we can solve it likely through policy/political will power. It in and of itself is not going to solve our problems.

Re:US Published National Debt: $28T. The Truth: $146T. Each ... by adventured on Thursday September 30, 2021 @03:27PM (#28710272)
It is exceptionally deceptive, particularly in massive economies like the US which produce dramatic scaling outcomes like a Bezos or Gates, an Apple or Netflix or Walmart. China is going to struggle with that same issue persistently.

And it's also true that it's pretty clear the US median wealth figure should be higher than it is, considering the vast average wealth figure in the US. The gap between those two numbers should not be as great as it is. And blatantly the bottom 50% of the population should have a lot more wealth than they do at present.

Maybe if the US had eg a good universal healthcare system (and no more medical bankruptcies), half of the country wouldn't mind so much that that median vs average wealth gap is what it is. Social contracts are important. You get this, they get that. As it is, the US social contract is not so great these days, compared to other affluent peer nations. The US has a large welfare state and gets a lot less for its spending compared to other peers. If our healthcare costs matched Britain per capita, Medicaid could instantly expand to cover 40-45% of the population for example, at no additional cost.

Re:US Published National Debt: $28T. The Truth: $146T. Each ... by drtz on Thursday September 30, 2021 @03:00PM (#28709921)
This is a fair point.

Treating things like Social Security and Medicare obligations as unfunded debt is akin to me declaring that I have a large amount of debt because I have to pay for food and clothe myself from now until I die.

It's money I will pay, most certainly, but it's only an obligation to myself to sustain my life at some reasonable standard. Much like Medicare and Social Security, it will be paid for with money I earn in the future as I live my life.

Re:US Published National Debt: $28T. The Truth: $146T. Each ... by mshanowitz on Thursday September 30, 2021 @02:53PM (#28709809)
Until money no longer becomes a reliable measure of value and then everything goes to hell.

Right now we are benefitting both from the stability of the US Dollar, as well as from the benefits of pumping more and more of it into the system (rising asset prices etc), if they lose the ability to maintain this balancing act it won't be pretty.

Re:US Published National Debt: $28T. The Truth: $146T. Each ... by wallawe on Thursday September 30, 2021 @02:56PM (#28709851)
Inequality seems like a meaningless metric. It's not a good measure of a society's well being.

For example, let's assume a country of 10 where 9 people have $1 million and 1 person has $100 trillion. The inequality is massive but everyone has a great standard of living.

Re:US Published National Debt: $28T. The Truth: $146T. Each ... by sassifrass on Thursday September 30, 2021 @03:16PM (#28710142)
That’s not how the Gini coefficient[1] is being calculated.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gini_coefficient

Re:US Published National Debt: $28T. The Truth: $146T. Each ... by bserge on Thursday September 30, 2021 @04:06PM (#28710696)
And now let's take a real example where 100 people have a trillion and 100,000,000 people have 10,000. And that's not even the bottom end.
Re:US Published National Debt: $28T. The Truth: $146T. Each ... by Ekaros on Thursday September 30, 2021 @04:03PM (#28710658)
Without external trade I doubt that 1 million will buy too much.
Re:US Published National Debt: $28T. The Truth: $146T. Each ... by agentdrtran on Thursday September 30, 2021 @03:11PM (#28710086)
that thought experiment is nice but in the real world we have widespread poverty and 1% with more money than any human could ever spend
Re:US Published National Debt: $28T. The Truth: $146T. Each ... by TbobbyZ on Thursday September 30, 2021 @02:49PM (#28709734)
Inequality will keep getting greater till businesses stop sleeping with the government AND the government stops handing out free money. Corporations, and that means executives, got fatter cause they lined their pockets with all that free covid money.
Re:US Published National Debt: $28T. The Truth: $146T. Each ... by bojangleslover on Thursday September 30, 2021 @02:55PM (#28709835)
Inequality is not necessarily a bad thing.

http://paulgraham.com/ineq.html

Re:US Published National Debt: $28T. The Truth: $146T. Each ... by bserge on Thursday September 30, 2021 @04:04PM (#28710672)
Sure bruh, as long as you are not among the poor.
Re:US Published National Debt: $28T. The Truth: $146T. Each ... by _red on Thursday September 30, 2021 @02:50PM (#28709761)
> Just wish inequality wasn't so fucking huge.

Printing money leads to greater inequality. Expect more of it.

Re:US Published National Debt: $28T. The Truth: $146T. Each ... by mempko on Thursday September 30, 2021 @02:53PM (#28709797)
Depends on who gets those flows. It's clear right now it's the rich.