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Re:YouTube is banning anti-vaccine activists and blocking al... by Loughla on Wednesday September 29, 2021 @09:46AM (#28693572)
I genuinely don't get it. YouTube, a private entity and not a government entity, is saying they don't want certain content on their platform. This is not the end of your free speech. This isn't really even a movement away from free speech. It's YouTube exercising their right to freedom of speech by not allowing what they believe to be harmful or disagreeable on their platform. They already do this with other categories of thing. This is no different.

You are more than able to start your own company and let whatever you want on that site. Or just go to your local city center with a megaphone and give people your thoughts - perfectly legal.

If YouTube is THAT essential to getting your views heard, you need to take a lesson from business - don't rely on anyone else for critical infrastructure.

Re:YouTube is banning anti-vaccine activists and blocking al... by prohobo on Wednesday September 29, 2021 @10:38AM (#28694242)
This fallacy of "private entity" when talking about a corporation that's more powerful than most governments is truly ridiculous.

It's okay if the East India Company enslaves and exploits the savages and mongrels, murders opponents, rigs elections, installs corrupt politicians and destroys communities; it's a private company and it only hurts stupid people! Just stop buying their tea if you don't like it, amirite? Start your own company!

Re:YouTube is banning anti-vaccine activists and blocking al... by valeness on Wednesday September 29, 2021 @11:11AM (#28694747)
I don't see this same energy when peope want to nationalize internet or electric companies. Why is it that only when media companies moderate the content available on their platform do we suddenly not care about property rights?

If we're talking about regulating large corporations because they're monopolizing resources I'd much rather start in the energy sector to set some precedent before we just force youtube and facebook to allow nazis and anti-vaxxers to spout off whatever they want during a global crisis.

Re:YouTube is banning anti-vaccine activists and blocking al... by humanrebar on Wednesday September 29, 2021 @05:35PM (#28700291)
> Why is it that only when media companies moderate the content available on their platform do we suddenly not care about property rights?

I can't speak for what you're paying attention to, but plenty of people are wary of big cats in corporations and big cats in government. You can be against both.

The real false narrative is that choosing team red or team blue is the only interesting question and then you can turn your skepticism off.

Re:YouTube is banning anti-vaccine activists and blocking al... by prohobo on Wednesday September 29, 2021 @11:25AM (#28694957)
Internet and electric companies don't have international political influence, nor major monopolies.

I'd rather have an honest discussion about dealing with a global crisis instead of having some asshole decide he's right and shut everyone else out - surely you can imagine the damage caused by a dictator who's wrong?

Re:YouTube is banning anti-vaccine activists and blocking al... by oblio on Wednesday September 29, 2021 @04:13PM (#28699281)
> electric companies

You do know that those in many places are called "utilities" and they <<are>> nationalized, right?

Re:YouTube is banning anti-vaccine activists and blocking al... by lp0_on_fire on Wednesday September 29, 2021 @04:22PM (#28699402)
Even when they aren't nationalized they are more often than not subject to _very_ stringent regulations.
Re:YouTube is banning anti-vaccine activists and blocking al... by NaturalPhallacy on Wednesday September 29, 2021 @03:51PM (#28698992)
>moderate the content

Censor. The word you're looking for is censor.

Re:YouTube is banning anti-vaccine activists and blocking al... by zepto on Wednesday September 29, 2021 @11:03AM (#28694618)
Except not. Google isn’t more powerful than most governments. They can’t kill or imprison people, or seize land or property. This is simply a false analogy.
Re:YouTube is banning anti-vaccine activists and blocking al... by ostenning on Wednesday September 29, 2021 @11:33AM (#28695081)
What is your definition of "power"? Because I think your perspective is incredibly naive.

Google has immense power, far more than most governments. Governments all around the world are often manipulated by corporations like Google, laws are written based off these influences of power, shaping democracy, all the time.

If they really wanted to they could do almost anything to you. They could easily steal your identity, they could frame you, they could put you in prison, they could do basically anything. Is this legal? Obviously not, but power extends further than what is legal.

Re:YouTube is banning anti-vaccine activists and blocking al... by prohobo on Wednesday September 29, 2021 @11:19AM (#28694874)
I recommend reading this article for a quick overview of the current political landscape: https://theconversation.com/who-is-more-powerful-states-or-c...

The fact is that states and corporations collude and compete with each other for political control internationally, and corporate power outranks the vast majority of state powers. Weirdly though, I can't find Alphabet Inc. in the power rankings.

Re:YouTube is banning anti-vaccine activists and blocking al... by evv555 on Wednesday September 29, 2021 @11:15AM (#28694824)
Google isn't a "private entity" in the sense of a small business either. More like a utility company. False analogy
Re:YouTube is banning anti-vaccine activists and blocking al... by JohnWhigham on Wednesday September 29, 2021 @06:44PM (#28700949)
I find it hilarious that in recent years, people on the left have started using the "don't like it? make your own! ;)" reply after it exclusively being a right-wing thing (e.g. telling people "don't like the USA? then leave"). Especially since both sentiments come from the same root: being out of a legitimate argument.
Re:YouTube is banning anti-vaccine activists and blocking al... by bitcurious on Wednesday September 29, 2021 @08:32PM (#28701866)
It’s especially troubling when someone does “make their own” and then get banished at the infrastructure (payments/hosting/app store) layer.
Re:YouTube is banning anti-vaccine activists and blocking al... by voganmother42 on Wednesday September 29, 2021 @08:09PM (#28701667)
Except it isn’t… being a citizen isn’t the same as being a consumer, like you understand how much harder and more impactful it is to change the country you live in than the channel right? Yikes.

the same things are said about twitter or facebook, its absurd.

Re:YouTube is banning anti-vaccine activists and blocking al... by originalvichy on Thursday September 30, 2021 @07:19AM (#28705087)
This is a lazy argument. You can do better.
Re:YouTube is banning anti-vaccine activists and blocking al... by hhhhhdsgs on Wednesday September 29, 2021 @04:25PM (#28699443)
You don't get it because you agree with it. If it was your views being silenced you would suddenly remember how hard it is to create your own video platform that can compete with youtube (especially when the big tech monopolies will refuse services to you)
Re:YouTube is banning anti-vaccine activists and blocking al... by sanderjd on Wednesday September 29, 2021 @05:00PM (#28699884)
I disagree strongly with the action being taken here, but like your parent commenter, I don't get the consternation about their ability to take that action. I think that the first amendment guarantees both freedom of speech and of association to private entities, and that this is no more or less than a private entity exercising those exact rights.

If you want to nationalize all social media and force it to be a public square, that's fine, we can have that conversation. But that's not what people generally argue for, they instead expect private entities to be themselves subject to the requirements of the first amendment. But that isn't how it works. And I think that is a good thing, even when I disagree with the outcome.

Re:YouTube is banning anti-vaccine activists and blocking al... by MadeThisToReply on Wednesday September 29, 2021 @04:36PM (#28699577)
"‘Skynet Is A Private Company, They Can Do What They Want,’ Says Man Getting Curb-Stomped By Terminator"

https://babylonbee.com/news/skynet-is-a-private-company-they...

Re:YouTube is banning anti-vaccine activists and blocking al... by themacguffinman on Wednesday September 29, 2021 @01:36PM (#28697126)
I completely agree that YouTube should absolutely be free to do this but they're obviously doing this because citizens and their own employees demand it. The movement away from free speech is caused by the growing number of people (including people in this very thread) who want YouTube to do this, YouTube acquiescing to their demands is just a symptom of this trend.

YouTube is the profit-driven canary in the coalmine. YouTube's business model naturally incentivizes more speech of all kinds. This crackdown indicates there is mounting pressure - from democratically elected governments, from HN commentators, from our friends and neighbors that regulate & patronize YouTube - to stop being tolerant of certain kinds of speech like antivax.

Re:YouTube is banning anti-vaccine activists and blocking al... by the-dude on Wednesday September 29, 2021 @10:50AM (#28694414)
> If YouTube is THAT essential to getting your views heard, you need to take a lesson from business - don't rely on anyone else for critical infrastructure.

No other platform offers a competitive audience.

Re:YouTube is banning anti-vaccine activists and blocking al... by zepto on Wednesday September 29, 2021 @11:03AM (#28694621)
Don’t rely on a competitive audience.
Re:YouTube is banning anti-vaccine activists and blocking al... by oblio on Wednesday September 29, 2021 @04:14PM (#28699296)
And do what, instead?

Stay and home and start knitting? If your job or your desire is to be in media, what's your proposed alternative?

Re:YouTube is banning anti-vaccine activists and blocking al... by zepto on Thursday September 30, 2021 @09:55AM (#28706342)
Do something else.
Re:YouTube is banning anti-vaccine activists and blocking al... by oblio on Thursday September 30, 2021 @10:31AM (#28706775)
That's no advice.
Re:YouTube is banning anti-vaccine activists and blocking al... by zepto on Thursday September 30, 2021 @08:21PM (#28712898)
Why not? Don’t support a toxic ecosystem.
Re:YouTube is banning anti-vaccine activists and blocking al... by eric_cc on Wednesday September 29, 2021 @07:54PM (#28701541)
> I genuinely don't get it.

At least you admit it.

> You are more than able to start your own company and let whatever you want on that site.

"If you don't like YouTube, build your own" is a really shitty take. It's very obvious the role that YouTube has right now and why massive censorship is a problem.

Re:YouTube is banning anti-vaccine activists and blocking al... by Covzire on Wednesday September 29, 2021 @10:42AM (#28694296)
Youtube, Facebook and Twitter have been censoring content that nearly exclusively goes against left wing opinion narratives. At the top of Twitter right now are the DNC's "expert" opinion on whether the vaccine mandates are legal. They're shoving their political speech down everyones throat and censoring as many opposing views as they can get away with. But let's say that's legal for now.

If we take a equitable view of the situation, the vast majority of content that they're removing is simply being removed for wrong-think according to the DNC. This gives the Democratic party a leg up through overt censorship and information warfare of a sort they couldn't possibly have achieved through direct government action.

Whether that's legal or not is immaterial to me, they are stifling legal free speech of the de-facto public square, and those who cheer it on now won't be so happy in the future when the alignment of special interests shifts against them, I promise you it will happen and sooner than anyone thinks.

Google is a cancer on public discourse, how many fake media narratives have to collapse before people realize censorship of wrong-think is not a good idea for a healthy society?

Edit: Looks like Twitter finally removed their ridiculous propaganda from the trending section.

Re:YouTube is banning anti-vaccine activists and blocking al... by endgame on Wednesday September 29, 2021 @11:29PM (#28702892)
Not just their "expert" opinion, but whatever opinion is current this week. This is the same media machine that lied to us about masks, told us to be suspicious of a "Trump vaccine", and that covid was "just the flu". So logically the reasonable thing to do is censor everyone who disagrees, because then they'll be right.