I fit 4 chairs and a dining table in a Jetta. Only took the legs off the table.

It can be done, and it is done all the time all around the world. People just want to use their extreme case to justify both ways. We are saying “I fit my whole house in a fiat 500” and they are saying “I eat for 25 people every week so others must need it to”.

The reality is that people drive suburbans and Tahoes and they don’t even have kids just because they can. I hate to say it but the best thing that can happen to the US culture is expensive fuel. And I say this as someone who races cars as a hobby and would like cheap fuel.

> It can be done, and it is done all the time all around the world. People just want to use their extreme case to justify both ways. We are saying “I fit my whole house in a fiat 500” and they are saying “I eat for 25 people every week so others must need it to”.

I agree with everything you wrote in this paragraph in terms of SUV vs. compact hatchbacks, but I stand by the fact that if all large crossovers and small SUVs were replaced by midsized station-wagons the roads would be a better place and the drivers would lose no utility.

Then we both agree

Leaf is a hatch back, a good alternative if you want to down size and not ready to go to SUV. For electric stuff I'm waiting Tesla to start delivering Model Y in Australia.

Hatches are considered cars. Fords most liked car options were the sporty hatch versions of the fiesta and focus.

Hatches are essentially a downsized SUV. They are very different from sedan's when it comes to storage of goods. The positive is they generally can hold more stuff. The downside is that it is easier to access that stuff by unknown 3rd parties (break and enter).

The Leaf is a hatch back but it's very shallow. The total volume isn't that different than the Model 3 we have or an Accord I had in the past. The main difference is the configuration with the Leaf being shallow but tall.