Sure would be great if we could get to Denmark's vaccination numbers.

This is like saying "We should stop all the DUI checkpoints like this other country did," when that country doesn't have a DUI problem but 30% of drivers in our country are drunk.

Comparing being unvaccinated to drunk driving is absurd.

Both recklessly ignore the overwhelming expert consensus, both selfishly risk your health and the health of others around you. It's a perfect analogy.

"overwhelming expert consensus" the only consensus about the experimental mRNA gene therapy is among the mainstream news media.

Wrong on every single count, impressive.

- It's not 'experimental'

- It's not 'gene therapy'

- It has broad support from every major medical and public health organization on the planet, who based their decisions on the empirical research demonstrating its safety and effectiveness.

It literally is experimental. We have never deployed an mRNA vaccine on this scale before. This is the first time it has been done. The standard years of testing vaccines traditionally go through has not happened with this one. So it is, undeniably, objectively, experimental.

It is literally gene therapy. While most vaccines present a neutered form of a virus for your immune system to safely respond to and develop antibodies that will be useful in counteracting the version of the virus in the wild, mRNA vaccines quite literally insert themselves into your cells and try to insert that "training" RNA code into your immune system artificially without your body doing it on its own terms. This is what gene therapy is.

The medical boards based their decisions on the empirical research that doesn't exist yet? That's wild, they're time travelers?

Vaccination numbers as of 28.09.2021:

Denmark: 76.7% / 75.1%

Canada: 77.5% / 71.4%

Scotland: 76.7% / 70.2%

Canada will most likely overtake Denmark as more people have had the first vaccine shot.

In my country, you're not even legally required to give your driving license when stopped by a police officer for DUI.

You're talking about the UK, right? From what I understand they're still going to ID you one way or another (e.g. they'll just look you up in their database, just like police in the US will do if you don't have your license on your person).

Sorta works that way in Canada too. At a DUI checkpoint where they pull over everyone without reasonable cause, the stop is supposed to be strictly to check for DUI. They’re not supposed to go poking around for more things unless it’s incidental to the stop (if they see a dead body, they can investigate that, but not supposed to decide to check your immigration/license/insurance status as a part of the stop).

They'll ID you if you did something wrong. If not, for instance if they're randomly pulling over cars to check for drink driving and you're clean, then they don't need to ID you.

There's an argument to be made, not that I'm making it, that you need to have vaccine passports in order to get from 80-something % vaccinated to some higher key immunity threshold, since otherwise it's hard to convince the final group of unvaccinated stragglers to get vaccinated.

Instead of straight coercion like limiting travel with a passport, I would argue the following is more effective:

- Full liability for vaccine manufacturers

- No censorship of dissenting views

- Open discussion with all views represented instead of suppressed

- Honesty on unvaccinated vs vaccinated case, death numbers

- Following the science instead of what’s convenient for politicians at the moment

"convince" yeah, that's the word...

That's an interesting use of the word 'convince' you've made there.

>>it's hard to convince the final group

Hmmm that is an odd spelling for coerce, force, threaten...

You should look up the definition of those words, they don't apply here.

Yeah, banning people from participating in basic society unless they take the medical procedure you want them to is totally not coercion in any way...

What kind of vaccine mandate are you talking about? In my province, there are only a few non-essential activities that require vaccination. I wouldn't call this "banning from basic society", at least not in our case. But your experience might be different.

In America, President Joe Biden is attempting to use OSHA to enforce vaccines upon all businesses in the nation, so that those who either cannot or refuse to take the vaccine will be fired.

This is highly unconstitutional on many levels, and will likely be dismissed by the Supreme Court, but the fact that it's even being considered by the administration as an option is disturbing.

Other nations such as France and Australia are locking people in their homes and preventing them from traveling or performing basic essentials activities like grocery shopping without proof of vaccination.

I don't think that's accurate at all. According to [0]:

> Federal employees, federal contractors and health-care workers at facilities that receive federal funding must show proof of vaccination, with no testing option.

> 80 million U.S. workers will have a choice between providing proof of vaccination or submitting to weekly Covid testing.

Your examples of France and Australia are also not accurate. According to [1]

> There may be circumstances in the future in which proof of vaccination will be required, such as border or re-entry requirements, or continued employment in particular areas. One example of this is the mandatory vaccination requirements for all residential aged care workers which will come into effect on 17 September 2021 in line with relevant state and territory directions.

For France there is no mandate like you described [2]. No one is keeping anyone from doing essential things like grocery shopping, I don't know where you got that from but I suggest you do some research.

[0] https://www.cnbc.com/2021/09/10/what-you-need-to-know-about-... [1] https://www.health.gov.au/initiatives-and-programs/covid-19-... [2] https://www.rfi.fr/en/france/20210930-health-pass-becomes-ma...

I suggest you do some research as well. Joe Biden literally announced recently his plans to use OSHA to enforce vaccine mandates on any private business in America with over 100 employees. Now, chances are it won't hold up in court at all, but it's still there, it's still being attempted: https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-business-health-coronav...

In Australia elderly and children are being tackled and pepper-sprayed by police for not wearing masks. They're returning to their prison colony past. Don't even try to pretend what they're doing is a remotely acceptable way to treat human beings.

The vaccine passport you describe in your attempt to "debunk" me still sounds harshly authoritarian, do you think you're quelling anyone's fears by describing how proof of vaccination will be required to participate in basic society?