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Re:Intel breaks ground on $20B Arizona plants as U.S. chip f... by MagnumOpus on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @12:11PM (#28684438)
> nut farmers can afford to buy even very expensive water

(x) doubt

If they actually can pay for "very expensive water" i.e. water at the rates that residential/commercial users pay, then fair play to them. But from what I heard, they are only profitable by paying near-zero (orders of magnitudes less than other users).

Re:Intel breaks ground on $20B Arizona plants as U.S. chip f... by MengerSponge on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @04:51PM (#28687342)
Allow me to rephrase in a way that is more accurate but not substantially more insightful: "Nuts tend to be far more profitable than other crops, allowing nut farmers to expand their operations as escalating water prices squeeze out lower-margin water users."
Re:Intel breaks ground on $20B Arizona plants as U.S. chip f... by xxpor on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @12:27PM (#28684625)
What's the rough residential rate in AZ? Here in Seattle (obviously a MUCH different situation wrt water availability) I pay $6.96 per CCF (748.052 US gal, 3400 L). Even if every tree used an entire CCF over a season, that'd still be trivial compared to the amount of nuts you'd get (I assume)
Re:Intel breaks ground on $20B Arizona plants as U.S. chip f... by Jensson on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @12:44PM (#28684798)
California farmers use 40 trillion litres of water per year. At your rate that would be roughly 80 billion dollars a year or so. California's entire agriculture sector is worth around 50 billion a year dollars. So just the cost of water would be way more than all their earnings. And then you have to pay for equipment, pay for workers etc.
Re:Intel breaks ground on $20B Arizona plants as U.S. chip f... by ghshephard on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @07:18PM (#28688588)
Agriculture water != Water you consume in a home. Even Desalinated it's at most 1/10th that price. And there are usually brackish sources that are even cheaper to recycle into farms.

The issue isn't the cost of water, it's that "free" water drives everything else (or imported water - the United States major export often seems to be exporting it's water in the form of crops, food, etc...)

Re:Intel breaks ground on $20B Arizona plants as U.S. chip f... by inglor_cz on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @01:44PM (#28685408)
I think their water privileges are not going away.

After Covid and all the disruption of international trade, self-sufficiency in food production will be considered more important than before.

Re:Intel breaks ground on $20B Arizona plants as U.S. chip f... by plussed_reader on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @02:51PM (#28686112)
With privileges come responsibilities; like forgoing the profit motive for an activity that must be so heavily subsidized by gov't influence.
Re:Intel breaks ground on $20B Arizona plants as U.S. chip f... by rdsnsca on Wednesday September 29, 2021 @08:09PM (#28701672)
In a normal year 40 % of the food the US grows ends up in the garbage, Canada is even higher at 50 %.
Re:Intel breaks ground on $20B Arizona plants as U.S. chip f... by nearbuy on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @03:31PM (#28686496)
Almonds in California are reported to use about 2.6 billion liters of water and the industry is worth about $5 billion. So still not viable at $6.96/CCF, but maybe more viable than the average for Californian crops.
Re:Intel breaks ground on $20B Arizona plants as U.S. chip f... by brewdad on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @01:35PM (#28685330)
It's been almost 20 years but when I lived in Phoenix (and had a lawn) my water bill was about $25 a month. Now in the PNW, using a similar amount of water, my water bill is about $100 a month.

Water is heavily subsidized in AZ. There is little incentive to conserve it.

Re:Intel breaks ground on $20B Arizona plants as U.S. chip f... by xxpor on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @02:05PM (#28685648)
Are you actually spending that much on water though? Or water and sewer? Sewer is a lot (~$18 per CCF, iirc) more expensive. Farmers wouldn't have to pay that. Don't disagree about water in the SW being stupidly subsidized of course.
Re:Intel breaks ground on $20B Arizona plants as U.S. chip f... by brewdad on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @02:09PM (#28685692)
Yes sewer is a lot but I was paying for sewer in both places. Maybe Phoenix wasn't bothering to put any money away for future repairs.
Re:Intel breaks ground on $20B Arizona plants as U.S. chip f... by xxpor on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @03:56PM (#28686781)
Wouldn't surprise me. I also think Seattle's sewer fees are probably relatively high because of the upgrades they've had to do to the whole system to avoid dumping so much untreated waste straight into the sound.
Re:Intel breaks ground on $20B Arizona plants as U.S. chip f... by ghshephard on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @07:17PM (#28688575)
I don't think the price you pay has everything to do with the cost of the water, but the distribution, servicing, cleaning of human-consumable quality water. The one price I do know for DeSalinated (among the most expensive) was $0.45/m^3 or 1000 liters (Hyflux 10 year commit, industrial quantity). The problem, of course, being that you need to be near the ocean.