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Re:It’s not easy to control police use of tech, even with a law by zepto on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @10:14AM (#28683014)
That would result just in sovereign citizens doing an unlimited amount of paper terrorism.
Re:It’s not easy to control police use of tech, even with a law by djbebs on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @10:42AM (#28683381)
As opposed to the state?

Simply add a cost to prosecutions that fail, with it going towards the winner.

Re:It’s not easy to control police use of tech, even with a law by throwaway0a5e on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @11:00AM (#28683588)
> with it going towards the winner.

The cops will abuse the shit out of that. That gives them a monetary incentive to botch investigations when their buddies are involved.

Re:It’s not easy to control police use of tech, even with a law by jdasdf on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @12:46PM (#28684816)
Hence the:

>There should be nothing that the executive branch does in terms of investigation and prosecution, that the average citizen should be legally barred from doing.

>This includes prosecuting crimes in criminal court, requesting and enforcing warrants, and so on.

>The only difference between an average citizen and the government employees doing these things should be that the government employes are being paid to do these things as a full time job.

If the cops botch their investigations... Well there's nothing stopping anyone else from conducting their own. Might as well conduct one into the cops botching of the investigation too.

Re:It’s not easy to control police use of tech, even with a law by darksaints on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @11:21AM (#28683859)
What makes you think someone prosecuting a police officer would rely on the police investigating the officer?
Re:It’s not easy to control police use of tech, even with a law by anchpop on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @02:04PM (#28685633)
they already have an incentive to botch investigations when their buddies are involved. Maybe this makes the incentive slightly greater but you shouldn’t rely on cops to investigate their buddies anyway
Re:It’s not easy to control police use of tech, even with a law by zepto on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @02:13PM (#28685733)
> As opposed to the state?

Ok, so you consider the state to be equivalent to sovereign citizens?

Also, how about investigations that never go to a prosecution? It’s pretty simple to harass someone that way.

Re:It’s not easy to control police use of tech, even with a law by djbebs on Wednesday September 29, 2021 @03:34AM (#28691182)
Yes?

I dont see why the state should be considered special. Ultimately it is supposed to work for the people, is it not? It's powers are delegated to it by the people.

I dont see "only the state should have the right to harass people" as a legitimate argument.

If it's simple to harass someone that way, then making it available to everyone will increase the need to fix a broken system where people can be arbitrarily harassed.

Re:It’s not easy to control police use of tech, even with a law by zepto on Wednesday September 29, 2021 @09:51AM (#28693655)
The sovereign citizens aren’t elected.

> If it's simple to harass someone that way, then making it available to everyone will increase the need to fix a broken system where people can be arbitrarily harassed.

Making a broken system worse does increase the need to fix it, but it doesn’t mean it gets fixed, it just means we have a worse need.

Re:It’s not easy to control police use of tech, even with a law by djbebs on Wednesday September 29, 2021 @12:13PM (#28695738)
What does being elected or not have to do with it? Violent mobs also have democratic legitimacy, but somehow I doubt you'll think they should have a right to harass you.

And on the contrary, it is by making the situation unbearable for everyone that popular and political will to change a broken system is created.

The worst thing that can happen is for an injustice to be prolonged just because it only affects a select group of people that those in power dislike.

Re:It’s not easy to control police use of tech, even with a law by zepto on Thursday September 30, 2021 @05:44AM (#28704597)
> Violent mobs also have democratic legitimacy,

No they don’t.

> And on the contrary, it is by making the situation unbearable for everyone that popular and political will to change a broken system is created.

When has that ever worked?