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Re:San Francisco raises Tesla 'self-driving' safety concerns... by darepublic on Sunday September 26, 2021 @09:40AM (#28660812)
> thousands of people driving this stack since March with no accidents

Don't these people regularly have to intervene and take over, hence the no accidents? Unless I can responsibly cede full control to the self driving system it's less than useful for most drivers imo. If I'm wrong let me know but that is the impression I have taken away reading on the tesla self drive system.

Re:San Francisco raises Tesla 'self-driving' safety concerns... by ajross on Sunday September 26, 2021 @09:44AM (#28660837)
That's right, this is still beta software and the users are still responsible for supervising. "Less than useful" isn't the standard, though. SF and the poster above aren't making an argument about consumer protection or lemon laws or anything. They're claiming a safety problem.

And there's no evidence of a safety problem.

Re:San Francisco raises Tesla 'self-driving' safety concerns... by josephcsible on Sunday September 26, 2021 @11:57AM (#28661937)
How many accidents would have happened if those people would have done all of that driving manually? If you count accidents that FSD would have caused without a human driver, then you have to also count accidents that human drivers would have caused without FSD.